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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: Exilelass on Wednesday 29 November 17 19:51 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find out more about my G.grandfather who was blacksmith at Lochlin and is on the 1911 Census there. I believe he was smith to the Lovat Scouts in WWI when they were billeted near there. As both sides of my paternal family are MacRaes and MacKenzies, all using the same handful of first names, I am really bogged down. My other G grandfather was the miller at Craggie Mill at Daviot and I have the same problem there.
ANY help will be gratefully received.
Thank you.
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Welcome to Rootschat
Could you post the full 1911 details so we have birthyears and birthplaces etc for all family members
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Surely, but I'm a bit of a twit with computers.
Can you tell me what to do, or do I just type it all out?
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Hi
Yes - you have to type out the details for each member (ie)
Name - age - birthplace
If they are all the same surname there is no need to repeat it for each member
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Lochslin Smithy and House...
MacKenzie, Alexander, Head,44, Blacksmith and Crofter....Glenurquhart
Mary, wife, 45, ......Kiltarlity
Annie, daughter, 16,.....Inverness
Mary, daughter,8,......Culloden
Alexandrina, daughter, 4,.....Fearn
Peter J. son, 3,....Fearn
I hope that is what you need.
Thank you :)
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That's great - thank you. With so many Alexander MacKenzie's we just need to make sure we have the right one
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Tell me about it!! ;D
I can find one as Blacksmith in Bridgend, Lochslin, Rhynie, Alness and have no way of knowing if there were four all the same name or if it was one man who got about a bit. :/
It's about now you want someone called Benedict Cumberbatch in your family!! Easy to follow! :)
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You will find that many Scottish RC members are quite expert at "unravelling" families
As he was from Inverness I will ask the moderator to move your post to the Inverness board for starters
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Your best starting point is his youngest childrens births as that will give you Mary's maiden name and enable you to find his marriage
Quite a big gap in ages between Annie and Mary so I wonder if Mary was a second wife?
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Only one birth entry fits
MACKENZIE ALEXANDRINA 1906 064/ 41 Fearn (Ross)
There is also
MACKENZIE PETER JOHN FRAS (probably Fraser) 1908 064/ 15 Fearn (Ross)
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search-our-records
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Just to make life easier, Mary (wife) was a Fraser.
No, she wasn't a second wife, there is another son, Donald, who is not on this Census, so I suppose had left home (?) he MAY have fitted in there and the Census tells me that they had 6 children, so, again the deceased child may have slotted in there.
Thank you. I have them both.
I want to get back another generation, but, I can't find out if Alexander was the one smith who wandered about, or if there were several Alexander MacKenzies who were all Blacksmiths.
The birth certificates for the children all tell me that Alexander and Mary were married in Govan, but I can find no record of that marriage. I suppose they were married around 1890-94??
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The birth certificates for the children all tell me that Alexander and Mary were married in Govan, but I can find no record of that marriage
From Scotlands People
ALEXANDER MCKENZIE/ MARY FRASER 1890 646/2 7 Govan
Strange they should marry in Govan when they were both from Inverness
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The story is that Alexander wanted to be an engineer and so went to Glasgow to train. However, they were married before they left the Highlands.....'twould seem that they were not! There may be an interesting story here...or not.
Thank you so much. Can you tell me how I get to look at this entry?
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You would need to buy credits on Scotlands People to download the marriage cert. Did you download Alexandrina's birth cert to confirm Mary was nee Fraser or did you already have that info?
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Yes, I have Alexandrina's birth certificate and that of all the other children, bar Donald and the unknown deceased child.
I have credits, but I cannot find this marriage certificate. Whenever I put this info into the site it comes up with nothing. Must like better :)
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I found the entry on the free index so if you just input the names and year it should come up as it's the only entry in 1890
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Bizarrely, I have done this several times and I keep getting 'no results'. :-\
Is it permissible to post the link you got to work?
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Have you noticed that the surname is spelt McKenzie and not MacKenzie - could that be why you are having problems
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Oh, the power of paying attention!!
No, I had not. I was assuming they had the same spelling all their lives. Thank you once again. VERY helpful. I have opened it and it is them.
Thank you
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All that matters is the end result ;D
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I doubt this is the 'end' result. I'm sure I'll need your talents again ;)
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Interesting the Peter Fraser Mackenzie thing. Peter Fraser who became the Prime Minister of New Zealand was born in Hill of Fearn, near Lochslin, he left for NZ around 1910, wonder if there is a connection? My own Mackenzies were at Fearn Station.
Don't think the spelling matters & a Glasgow wedding would be sensible, getting time off work was a problem, New Year or Glasgow Fair weddings were not unusual.
Skoosh.
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My Peter was Peter-John Fraser MacKenzie, who was born in 1908. He was my Grannie's brother and became, not PM of NZ, put Provost of Forres. :)
He was an ironmonger there and, out of respect to him, the name of his shop cannot ever be changed. The name Pat MacKenzie is still to be seen in Forres. There is bound to be a connection somewhere, as we are, after all, 'aw Jock Tamson's bairns'.( Or possibly Alexander MacKenzie's)
Thanks to the help I was given, yesterday, I have found his parents' wedding in Glasgow on New Year's Eve 1890. Both were living in Glasgow then. But I do not know how to proceed, in a backward, direction. If the Marriage Certificate had the address of the parents it would be SO much more helpful. My husband is researching family friends who were Italian and every 'hit' is them. I have Mac/Mc Kenzies and MacRae's all over the place, all called Alexander, Hugh and Mary. It's a nightmare sorting 'mine' from 'everyone else's'! :-\
Has anyone any suggestions on how I proceed with the names of the next generation, but not the foggiest idea where they were from and very common names to search for?
I'd be most grateful for any and all advice.
Thank you.
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A good starting point would be to give us the parents details from that 1890 marriage cert ;D
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Oh sorry, I hadn't thought of you doing the work for me. :)
Donald McKenzie (ploughman) and Ann McKenzie (ne้ Robertson) both deceased. (parents of the groom, Alexander)
Hugh Fraser (farmer)deceased and Catherine McLennan, (previously Fraser, ne้ Fraser.) (parents of the bride, Mary)
On the other side I want to get back farther than my Great grandmother.
On her marriage certificate (1894)the parents info is:-
Donald MacRae (crofter) and Ann McIntosh, parents of the groom (Alexander MacRae, labour residing at Craggie Mill, Daviot)
Hugh MacKenzie (miller) and Margaret Ross, parents of the bride (Rebecca, daughter of the miller at Craggie Mill)
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On her marriage certificate (1894)the parents info is:-
Donald MacRae (crofter) and Ann McIntosh, parents of the groom (Alexander MacRae, labour residing at Craggie Mill, Daviot)
Hugh MacKenzie (miller) and Margaret Ross, parents of the bride (Rebecca, daughter of the miller at Craggie Mill)
You need to include where and when Rebecca was born and the same for Alexander MacRae
You also need to check for both parents marriages on SP
Is this the right 1871 entry?
Croy & Dalcross Inverness - Address Castletowie Of Daltulich
Hugh Mackenzie 44 miller b Aird
Margaret 31 b Auchteran
Rebecca 13 b Aird
Donald 12 b Inverness
Hugh 8 ditto
Serrah 6 (?? Sarah) ditto
John 4 b Daviot
David 1 ditto
Croy and Dalcross ED 4 Page 8 Line 22
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The census of 1891 tells me that Rebecca was born in Killtarlity and the census of 1911 says Alexander was born in Glenurquhart.
You entry is interesting as mine, for 1891, has Hugh, Margaret, Hugh, Rebecca, Sarah and a grandson Hugh.
Rebecca is 33, which would fit with what you have and Sarah is 26, so that seems right too and Hugh (jr) is 28.
I think you have found more relatives I never know anything about!! You are good at this, :)
Yet again I cannot find what you have found. Can you tell me what to do so I can find this?
I have a 2 Hugh Mackenzies, Croy, in the 1871 census, both with the same ref number, but they are 37 . If he is telling the truth about his age in 1891, then he should have been born in 1820. If you have the right chap he was born in 1827 and if this fellow I found is correct, being 37 in 1871 means he was born in 1834. :-\
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https://www.familysearch.org/search has a Rebecca McKenzie born 16th April 1857 Kiltarlity Inverness , parents Hugh McKenzie and Margaret Ross.
There is also marriage/banns 3rd June 1852 Inverness Inverness , Hugh McKenzie / Margaret Ross.
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Was there a bit of an age difference between Alexander Macrae and Rebecca McKenzie ?
(Looking at the 1901 Census transcription it looks like there was).
Alexander Macrae born 25th November 1872 Urray Ross & Cromarty , parents Donald Macrae / Ann Macintosh.
Donald Macrae / Ann Mcintosh marriage 8th December 1871 Urray Ross & Cromarty.
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Alexander McKenzie born 15th June 1867 Urquhart Inverness , parents Donald McKenzie and Ann Robertson.
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As far as I know there was a 9 year difference on their marriage in Alec's favour. However, by the time of the 1911 census that gap had closed completely. ;) Both claim to be 40 then.
Thank you for the information.
I really appreciate all the information gathered on my behalf.
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Exlass, what was the name of this shoemaker?
Skoosh.
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You'll love this ;D
Hugh Mackenzie. (d.o.b.25th Dec 1862)
He was the son of Hugh MacKenzie, Miller, at Craggie Mill and grandfather of Hugh MacRae, Miller, at Kingsmills.
The 1891 census lists him as a shoemaker.
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From the 1730's to 1800 there was a dynasty of McKenzie burgess's & shoemakers in Inverness. Starting with Alexander, James, John, John, Murdoch, Evan, Alexander, Hugh, Donald, John, George, Roderick, Kenneth & Thomas.
"True to the Last!" shoemakers motto. ;D
Skoosh.
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Interesting. I wonder if there was a family connection which got our Hugh involved.
I'm sure they were the heart and sole of the community. ::)
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I missed out an Archibald who was also a shoemaker, could all be the one family? nobody could set up shop as a tradesman unless they joined the trade-guild & they had to become a burgess first.
Skoosh.
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I'm back into the early 1800s now and have no Archibalds or any other shoemakers in the family. My threads are blacksmiths and millers. Of course, there will be off shoots which I have not gone after who might be connected in some way, after all they are all MacKenzies. :)
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He would be Erchie anyhow Exlass & Hugh might be Uisdean! Milling deffo ran in families!
Skoosh.
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No, Erchies either :)
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When I search the Familysearch.org site I can find that Hugh Mckenzie married Margaret Ross on the 3rd June 1852 in Inverness.
However, when I search with this info in the SP site I get nothing, neither in the general search nor in the Parish Records. I think I need this info to get back to his parents birth and marriage dates.
Hugh was born on the 21st October 1820, but I know nothing of Margaret.
There are actually quite a few of the family come up one FS but not on SP :-\
Can anyone help?
Thanks
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As the marriage is before the start of official records(1855) it probably wont have parents named :(
Are you looking in the Church Registers/Banns and marriagsChurch of Scotland Old Parish Registers) ?
Hugh Mckenzie / Margaret Ross 03/06/1852(3rd June 1852) Inverness.
The death certificate of Margaret Ross will hopefully name her parents :)
ev
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Ah, now I didn't know that.
Yes, I was looking in parish records, but I didn't know I'd get parents from a death certificate. Thank you. Off on a new dead relative chase. :D
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Exlass, there's an entertaining book about Fearn by an Alastair Phillips called "My Uncle George!" this uncle, George Mackay, was the Free Church Minister. It will be out of print but try online, maybe "Biblio!"
Skoosh.
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What sort of era was he writing about, Skoosh?
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Early 20th century I think, very funny! ;D Phillips had a column in the Glasgow Herald!
Skoosh.