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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: dorothyl on Thursday 30 November 17 11:45 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I don't know if I've already asked this question. But if I have I do apologise.
I am trying to find out where my grandad was actually born.
I'm Abit confused. On a reply from an email I received from the cemetery where my grandad is buried. They say he was 31 when he passed away. So I thought if that's true he would have been born in 1914. He became a father in 1937 to my mum and he was in the army. My mum said he was born the same day.month.and year as my dad.
27th of September 1910.
So what I'm thinking is. If my grandads mum didn't register him until 1914. They would have put it down as his birth year. Unless my mum got the year wrong. Which I doubt. She was good on birthdays.
But she was only little when her dad passed away. My mum was 8 going on 9 when she lost her dad.
I am going to put down on here what the person at the cemetery said in my email.
And what I wanted to know this for is so I can apply for my grandads death certificate. Because of what he died of. Which I just can't remember. I know it wasn't the big c. He didn't smoke. And also I'm trying to find out where my grandad was born because I need to get a copy of his birth certificate so I can get his army record's. I need both his certificates for that. Plus pay the amount for his records from the army.
I going to try to remember what I was told by email. And maybe someone can help. As now I'm completely stuck and confused. Thank you again for your help
I really do need help with this.
Here is my email reply.
info for Alfred Evan
Age 31
Occupation Labourer
Address 58 Parry Street. Greenheys
there are two areas in Manchester that are known as greenheys
one is in the moss side area
the other is in Salford near to little Hulton
i can not confirm which one we are looking at
I hope anyone can understand it?
Thank you again for your help
Your's sincerely
Mrs Dorothy Lucas
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Earlier post which mentions him
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783294.0
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Hello Dorothy,
You are best to stay on the same thread.
However, Rosie posted this on there
Is this his birth registration :-\
Sep qtr 1914
Alfred E Jones mothers maiden name Jones
Chorlton reg district 8c 1401
Who did he marry & when
I might have missed this but did you get that certificate to check the details?
Heywood
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Hi
I didn't get his death or birth certificate. But I did get his marriage certificate. Apparently he got married age 19. So that would make his birth year 1914.. according to something I found in ancestry search. He was registered in 1914. But born 4 year's earlier.
This is why I'm having trouble trying to find out where he was born. Because of the year and what county. Wales or England.
I hope I'm ok to say that? I don't want to get into trouble.
Anyway thank you.
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I have copied this from your other thread
Is this his birth registration :-\
Sep qtr 1914
Alfred E Jones mothers maiden name Jones
Chorlton reg district 8c 1401
As there is so much confusion between 1910 and 1914 dates, it would be worth getting this certificate. You can order a copy online through the GRO site for £6.
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So what I'm thinking is. If my grandads mum didn't register him until 1914. They would have put it down as his birth year.
Why wouldn't she register him until he was 4 years old? I think from all the information you have - the birth Rosie gave you, date on his marriage certificate and age on death, it is more probably that he was born 1914. It is more likely that your mother remembered the day and month of his birth but has become confused about the year. We all know from experience just how family stories can be wrong but contain some element of the truth.
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As I understand it, if a birth is registered late then the registration index refers back to the correct birth year & quarter or vice versa. I see nothing like that on the original GRO index seen on freebmd.
ADDED: If the birth was in 1910, he would be on the 1911 census, whereas in reply #8 to the other thread, rosie found Frances on her own in Llandrillo Yn Rhos.
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So we have Alfred Evan Jones:
GRO says Alfred Evan Jones born September quarter 1914 - Chorlton Registration District - mmn Jones.
Lancashire BMD says that Alfred E Jones was born 1914 - Didsbury, which falls within the Chorlton Registration District.
There are NO registrations of Alfred E Jones being born 1910 in Wales.
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Again from the other thread - mother Frances in Rhos in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7VK-N4G
She may have returned to Manchester to give birth to her child.
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Just wondered if you had found them on 1939 register, to see what birth dates they claimed?
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Also posted on your other thread as they appear to both cover the same subject :)
Hi Dorothy
I really think that you need to purchase this 1914 certificate which would confirm any information that your mother has told you ;)
ALFRED EVAN JONES
1914 September Quarter
CHORLTON reg dist
Volume 08C Page 1401
As you know who his mother was so you would know if you had the wrong certificate. This really is the only way to sort out this problem as to when and where he was born.
Rosie
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Thank you
I will try that. I just don't want to get the wrong one.
It's great advice thank you.
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We appear to have conflicting information:
Dorothy says that Alfred Evan was born 27 September 1910 in Wales.
FreeBMD/GRO shows a birth registration for Alfred Evan in September quarter 1914 - Manchester
Findagrave shows an entry for Alfred Evan in Southern Cemetery - born 27 September 1910, died 9 August 1946
FreeBMD shows a death registration in September quarter 1946 - Manchester Registration District aged 31 and this is confirmed on the GRO website as Alfred Evan Jones aged 31
If Alfred Evan was born in 1910 then he would be more than 31 years old when he died in 1946.
I have posted this on the other thread as well
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Re the entry on Find a Grave, there is no photo of a headstone, so we don’t know exactly what it says. It depends whether his birth was entered from the cemetery records or whether it was added to the site by a relative doesn’t it? All the paper evidence adds up to a 1914 birth, but it’s very odd.
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Thanks for the link on my great gran Frances Jones. I couldn't find it.amongst my other replies
Thank you to who ever found it. Brilliant. 😊
Dorothy