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General => The Common Room => The Lighter Side => Topic started by: M.simpson on Sunday 03 December 17 16:24 GMT (UK)
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I found an old plate in my garden in an overgrown spot were I have also found a pipe that I think might be 19Th century.there is only a bit of it and I'm trying to find out when and where it's from and what the rest of it looks like.anyone got any ideas?
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Greetings, and a warm welcome to Rootschat.
If you can post a picture of the pipe and plate (both sides if there are markings on the back) we could help identify them or point you in the direction of helpful websites.
All the best
Philip
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As has been suggested put a picture of it on and you will be surprised how much info can be in a small symbol or some numbers etc.
Most potteries had codes for their patterns and very many are recorded even modest ones,so you stand a fair chance of getting the info you want.
In the meantime can you describe the pattern you have,even just a little will very probably be repeated at regular intervals.
If a maker's name or any numbers are not on the fragment you have it may still be possible to identify it
I am now very curious,just describe the pattern you can see.
Viktoria.
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SO frustrating the OP has not put a photo as yet!! :-X
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Thanks we are still interested.Viktoria.(note the royal we)
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Thanks we are still interested.Viktoria.(note the royal we)
We ARE amused. ;D
And waiting, all agog, for an image.
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I did put a small w Philip,don't fancy the Tower this time of year ;D
Viktoria.
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My aunty had glass plates, she use to tell us kids it was so we could see her beautiful tablecloth and enjoy her piping hot food.
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In the days of press gangs when soldiers forcibly captured men for the navy,from taverns ,market places etc, someone had the bright idea to replace the base in pewter tankards with glass so when a man was having a drink he could see if the press gang had entered the tavern and get out quick
before they captured him.
In Charles Dickens`Barnaby Rudge ,he mentions in the preface a young woman who stole some linen to try and sell to get food for her children who were starving and almost naked.She had never been in debt before her husband was taken by the press gang, but now was penniless.
She was hanged at Tyburn and she was nursing her young baby but that did not stop the execution. How cruel.She was 19.Mary Jones . This was 1777,at least that was when the case was quoted in Parliament.
It was the time of The Gordon riots.
Were the tablecloths pretty ?
I am still waiting with bated breath to se the fragment of plate ,as is Philip I am sure.
Viktoria.
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I am really sorry!I forgot my password and had to make a new account.Here are the photos of the plate.
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And here is the pipe.
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I am very sorry for keeping you waiting so long :-[
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The colouring and style made me immediately think Delft.
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And here is the pipe.
I have clay pipe makers among my ancestors, and checked a couple of lists of makers that I have for the initials 'TW'. Between them, they had about 30 possible makers, at a variety of dates and places, and I don't think my lists cover the whole country. The position and style of the initials might help to narrow that down, but I don't have pictures to compare them with.
Two sites that might help you with it are
The National Pipe Archive - http://www.pipearchive.co.uk/index.html
The Society for Clay Pipe Research - http://scpr.co/index.html
Both have lots of information and links, so you might be lucky.
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Thanks!I'll look at them.
:)
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Delft is a strong possibility.
Also Chinese ware was shipped as ballast,and was very popular.
It was made specifically for the export market in Europe.
Try to google Delft and also manufactures like Wedgwood,Masons and Derby .
Patterns were registered and patented I think.
The pipe bowl is relatively small and narrow which suggests a very long- stemmed pipe,
which may have been known as a" Churchwarden".
I seem to remember there is clay pipe collection in Ironbridge ,in Shropshire.
Literally hundreds on display.
Thanks for satisfying my curiosity . Viktoria.
P.S.Just looked it up and the pipe museum is in Broseley which is part of The Ironbridge Gorge
Museum.There are several sites so you can get an email to them with your query. V.
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I thought of Delft as well but the decoration is too fine. It doesn't look English from the decoration and the man's clothes. The plate appears to be pottery rather than porcelain and the pattern is unusual. If it was Delft then would almost certainly be Dutch but I don't think it is. The glaze would be whiter than it is, being a tin glaze to imitate porcelain.
AJ
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Interestingly, the clay pipes were an early example of the throw-away society. They were bought ready-filled with tobacco and thrown away after use. At one time we lived in a house which had once been a pub and a certain patch of soil outside one of the back doors had a rich seam of clay pipes. I love them, they are well worth keeping.
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Looking at the face chips damage to the plate suggest brittle glace surface and durable strong course pot (ironstone ?) make up. 17th/18th century ??? maybe by the picture of the mans attire.
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Looking at the face chips damage to the plate suggest brittle glace surface and durable strong course pot (ironstone ?) make up. 17th/18th century ??? maybe by the picture of the mans attire.
Surely just because of his clothing that doesn’t make it that old? I have some Delft plates I bought in Delft in 1980, they have people in 17th century clothing, but I know the plates are modern.
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Looking at the face chips damage to the plate suggest brittle glace surface and durable strong course pot (ironstone ?) make up. 17th/18th century ??? maybe by the picture of the mans attire.
Surely just because of his clothing that doesn’t make it that old? I have some Delft plates I bought in Delft in 1980, they have people in 17th century clothing, but I know the plates are modern.
Found with that type of pipe and dates in the link info suggest Delfit with century plus age to it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delftware
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"White!" was a prominent pipe manufacturer in Glasgow. Big exporter.
Skoosh.
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Thanks for the photos...... have you thought of sending the pictures to your local museum?
Perhaps their experts can be more specific.
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The plate looks transfer printed so would be post 1750s
Ray