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Hi,
I have this marriage down because it includes John Billingham Adams, father and Alma, sister of Philip Henry Adams: -
Marriage 18 Aug 1895 St John The Baptist Halesowen
Philip Henry ADAMS 23 B Stock Taker Belle Vale Hawne Father John Billingham Adams Stock Taker
Sarah TAYLOR 22 S The Mount Boro' Father Samuel Taylor Labourer
After Banns/Both Signed
Wit; Samuel Taylor / Alma Adams
and have come across another marriage also during 1895: -
Philip Henry Adams Sep qtr 1895 Stourbridge Worcestershire
Volume 6c Page 207
Household Members
Name Age
Philip Henry Adams
John Portman
Elizabeth Smith
Sarah Taylor
Are they referring to the same marriage? Not sure why or how John Portman and Elizabeth Smith fit in, if they're not witnesses?
Does anyone know what is S The Mount Boro'?
Thanks
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There will be two brides and two grooms and two marriages with the same reference.
The 4 names are arranged alphabetically. It's the same event
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This is the same marriage
The index entry gives 4 names, because the Parish Register will have two marriages recorded on each page, thus there will be two marriages with that reference number 8c page 207, in the quarter Jul/Aug/Sep (which covers the date of the marriage you are interested in) . The other two names, John Portman and Elizabeth Smith, will be the names of the bride and groom of the other marriage recorded on that same page.
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Oh that makes sense! Thanks lizdb and PaulineJ
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Hi re your other query re " The Mount", in 1891 a Sarah Taylor is aged 18 b Lye occ Servant at The Mount, Bromsgrove Street, Halesowen
Census ref RG12/2301/125/37
Keyboard86
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Thanks keyboard86.
It seems that Sarah Caroline Taylor has left her husband and their two sons, followed her parents and siblings to Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, USA plus married Lewis Stadelmaier and died on 25 May 1946?
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Thanks keyboard86.
It seems that Sarah Caroline Taylor has left her husband and their two sons, followed her parents and siblings to Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, USA plus married Lewis Stadelmaier and died on 25 May 1946?
So just when did the middle name for Sarah ( Caroline ) Taylor/Adams come into existence?
Keyboard86
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So just when did the middle name for Sarah ( Caroline ) Taylor come into existence?
Keyboard86
She was the first born and christened Sarah Caroline Taylor on 3 April 1871 to Samuel Taylor (16/12/1847 in Cradley - 21/5/1911 in USA) and Delilah Williams (1851 in Cradley - 1913 in USA)
Other children: -
Samuel 1873 -
John Thomas 1875 - 1939
Tamar May 1877 - 1938
Amy Annie 1880 - 1941
Isabela 1881 -
All above were born in Cradley
Last two were born in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, USA: -
Florence Violet 8/10/1885 - 13/11/1939
Pearl Ameila 7/1/1889 - 10/9/1939
I've come across a Sarah Adams (married) travelling on a ship called Saint Louis from Southampton to New York, arriving on 20 October 1900 so am assuming it is her...?
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Hi agree that Philip Henry Adams is married in 1911/1939 he dies 21st March 1953 aged 80, you say Sarah left her children behind, I can only locate a Philip Edwin b 1899 who dies Sept qtr 1977 in Dudley?
The Sarah Adams departing Southampton on the St Louis was with husband Herbert also 30
Keyboard86
PS having problems locating 1901 census?
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Oh I didn't see the Sarah Adams departing Southampton's husband mentioned but vaguely remember seeing the words travelling with "Uncle" but we don't seem to have a Herbert that could have been her "Uncle" in our family tree. Its the only Sarah Adams I could find and the date seems to fit in...?
Me too, re the 1901 census! I've found my grandfather Arthur John Adams residenting with his grandparents (John Billingham Adams and his wife Emma Cox) on the 1901 census but where is his younger brother Philip Edwin Adams?
My Dad has never known his grandmother Sarah Caroline Taylor/Adams as she was not around during my Dad's time so it seems she has simply disappeared! Which is why I'm trying to trace her as she may have joined her parents and siblings in USA?
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? Quite odd, as the Philip Henry Adams on 1911 with son Philip Edwin Adams b c 1900 states he has been married 15 years and has only 1 child born and still alive, Arthur J aged 14 is still with Grandparents in 1911.
The Probate of Philip Henry Adams shows it was handled by Arthur ROY Adams and Philip Edwin Adams?
Keyboard86
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? Quite odd, as the Philip Henry Adams on 1911 with son Philip Edwin Adams b c 1900 states he has been married 15 years and has only 1 child born and still alive, Arthur J aged 14 is still with Grandparents in 1911.
The Probate of Philip Henry Adams shows it was handled by Arthur ROY Adams and Philip Edwin Adams?
Keyboard86
Philip Henry Adams had two sons, Arthur John Adams and Philip Edwin with Sarah C Taylor/Adams but where is Philip Edwin Adams on the 1901 census? Also Sarah C Adams isn't mentioned on the same censuses as Philip Edwin Adams and both sons in the 1900s...
The probate of Philip Henry Adams was handled by his younger son Philip Edwin and his (Philip Henry's) grandson Roy Adams. Roy is the son of Philip Henry's older son Arthur John Adams who wasn't a well man at the time.
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I don't think the one who married Lewis Stadelmaier is "yours",though:
Marriage:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7XV-52Q
Marriage:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7Z8-586
1900 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSQK-ZFM
1920 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJW6-T53
Maureen
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Maureen, thanks for the above links but have you seen this one?: -
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=75&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22Sarah%20C%22~%20%2Bsurname%3AStadelmaier~%20%2Bdeath_place%3A%22Chicago%2C%20Cook%2C%20Illinois%2C%20USA%22~%20%2Bdeath_year%3A1946-1946~%20%2Bspouse_givenname%3ALewis~%20%2Bspouse_surname%3AStadelmaier~
Her father is Sam Taylor and she was born in Worcestershire!
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This enclosed attachment was the post I came across on Ancestry.com, which was linked to my Sarah Caroline Adams nee Taylor by jhog952 that started me searching for Sarah Caroline again as I do so much want to solve this mysterious disappearance of her. Same father: Samuel Taylor
This is as close although I have her christening date down as 3 April 1871 at St Peter's Church, Cradley, Halesowen, Worcestershire and jhog952 has hers down as 29 May 1870.
I would appreciate your thoughts on this... is it purely coincidental or what?
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That's the problem,isn't it. The one in Illinois (arriving in NY as "Carrie TAYLOR" in 1882) can't be the same person as the wife of Philip Henry ADAMS.
Or have I missed something?
Maureen
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Have you discounted the following
1901 census Cradley Worcs.
Elizabeth Tayler 34 born Lye Worcs
Sarah Adams 28 listed as single and her sister in law
There are other children but significant is Annie aged 14 days.
Would Sarah have gone to help out with other children and birth of Annie.
Last census Cradley Heath Staffordshire
Sarah Adams age 39 brick yard worker born Cradley is a boarder with William Worton and his wife
says she is married though number of years is missing children 3-2-1.
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That's the problem,isn't it. The one in Illinois (arriving in NY as "Carrie TAYLOR" in 1882) can't be the same person as the wife of Philip Henry ADAMS.
Or have I missed something?
Maureen
I don't really understand what Carrie S Taylor and William Murdock have to do with Sarah Caroline Taylor/Adams?
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That's the problem,isn't it. The one in Illinois (arriving in NY as "Carrie TAYLOR" in 1882) can't be the same person as the wife of Philip Henry ADAMS.
Or have I missed something?
Maureen
I don't really understand what Carrie S Taylor and William Murdock have to do with Sarah Caroline Taylor/Adams?
I think amondg has come up with your Sarah:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27F-KXVG
GRO Births:
TAYLOR, SARAH mmn SOUTHWELL
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C
The Sarah Caroline TAYLOR (aka Carrie) who went to USA in 1882 with her parents married William MURDOCK and then as a widow,married Lewis S. So,nothing to do with the one who married Philip ADAMS.
Maureen
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Have you discounted the following
1901 census Cradley Worcs.
Elizabeth Tayler 34 born Lye Worcs
Sarah Adams 28 listed as single and her sister in law
There are other children but significant is Annie aged 14 days.
Would Sarah have gone to help out with other children and birth of Annie.
Last census Cradley Heath Staffordshire
Sarah Adams age 39 brick yard worker born Cradley is a boarder with William Worton and his wife
says she is married though number of years is missing children 3-2-1.
Sarah C Taylor/Adams hasn't got any sister in law named Elizabeth in UK. All of Sarah's brothers and sisters have already moved and are living in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois by 1901.
I did look at Sarah Adams age 39 brick yard worker as that may be a possibility although she only had two sons, Arthur John Adams (15 JUNE 1896 - 22 MAY 1966) and Philip Edwin Adams (17 AUG 1899 - 27 SEP 1977) and no information has come to light over the one child who has died apart from this 1911 census.
Looking at the records: -
I have Sarah's mother Delilah Taylor nee Williams arriving New York on a ship called Erin from Liverpool on 11 Nov 1882, her father Samuel Taylor was already in USA in 1881 just after his British 1881 census and her name is on the bottom the page then on the next page are her children: -
Carrie Taylor (Sarah C) age 10
Samuel - cannot make out age
John age 5
Tamar age 4
Anny (Amy Annie) age 3
Infant (Isabela)
Now I can see what you mean, Maureen, re SarahC/Carrie can't be the same person as the wife of Philip Henry.
I wonder if they, the family, travel backwards and forwards between UK and USA?
I currently have: -
Samuel Taylor (16/12/1847 in Cradley - 21/5/1911 in USA)
married
Delilah Williams (20/12/1851 in Rowley Regis - 28/5/1913 in USA)
Children: -
Sarah Caroline Taylor Birth - registered in Stourbridge during 1870, christened at St Peter's, Cradley on 3 April 1871
Samuel - (1875, Cradley - 4/1/1927 in USA)
John Thomas - (1875, Cradley - 30/8/1939 in USA)
Tamar May - (1877, Cradley - 25/8/1877 in USA)
Amy Annie - (1880, Cradley - 17/4/1941 in USA)
Isabela - 1881 in Cradley - ?
Florence Violet - born in USA (8/10/1885 - 13/11/1939 in USA)
Pearl Ameila - born in USA (7/1/1889 - 10/9/1939 in USA)
Then I have a marriage for
Philip Henry Adams age 23, Stock taker Vale Hawn
Father: John Billingham Adams, Stock taker
marrying on 18 August 1895 at St. John's Church, Halesowen to
Sarah Taylor age 22, The Mount Boro' (the name sound American)
Father: Samuel Taylor, Labourer
After Banns/Both Signed
Wit; Samuel Taylor / Alma Adams (sister of Philip Henry)
My head is thumping from having to recheck, searching for more information - so hard when she seems to have totally disappeared prior to 1901 census, which seems to tie in with the fact she may have left her husband and 2 sons to be with her family in USA and remarrying over there. My Dad remembers his Grandad, having lived with him and great Uncle and has often wondered what became of his Grandmother Sarah Taylor...
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I think amondg has come up with your Sarah:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27F-KXVG
GRO Births:
TAYLOR, SARAH mmn SOUTHWELL
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C
The Sarah Caroline TAYLOR (aka Carrie) who went to USA in 1882 with her parents married William MURDOCK and then as a widow,married Lewis S. So,nothing to do with the one who married Philip ADAMS.
Maureen
Oh dearie me so you mean I have the wrong Sarah Taylor all long? How can I double check if this is the correct Sarah?
What happened to this Sarah at the end?
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Hi re the 1901 with a married Elizabeth Taylor 34 b Lye and family with a Sarah Adams 28 b Cradley at an address used for many years by the Adams family namely Windmill Hill, Cradley either Elizabeth married another Taylor or children are illegitimate, or she is an Adams? the Samuel and Mary A on 1881 shown did have a daughter Elizabeth b 1859
What were the births of the children of Elizabeth on the 1901 via GRO Index, as confused?
Keyboard86
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Going by the marriage of John Whinnall Taylor to Elizabeth COOKE 1889 Stourbridge.
TAYLOR, JOHN WINNALL mmnCOOKE
1892 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 165
TAYLOR, KATHLEEN COOKE (I think she's Annie in 1901 but Kathleen in 1911)
1901 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 155
TAYLOR, MARY ELIZABETH COOKE
1898 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 148
The father,John W doesn't seem to be born with Whinnall as a middle name but his brother,Samuel is :
TAYLOR, SAMUEL WINNALL mmnSOUTHALL
1868 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 168
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Oh dearie me so you mean I have the wrong Sarah Taylor all long? How can I double check if this is the correct Sarah?
What happened to this Sarah at the end?
No idea,sorry.
She'll be a tough one to follow!
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Going by the marriage of John Whinnall Taylor to Elizabeth COOKE 1889 Stourbridge.
TAYLOR, JOHN WINNALL mmnCOOKE
1892 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 165
TAYLOR, KATHLEEN COOKE (I think she's Annie in 1901 but Kathleen in 1911)
1901 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 155
TAYLOR, MARY ELIZABETH COOKE
1898 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 148
The father,John W doesn't seem to be born with Whinnall as a middle name but his brother,Samuel is :
TAYLOR, SAMUEL WINNALL mmnSOUTHALL
1868 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 168
I'm sorry I don't understand and the jargon doesn't really help me. What is J Quarter? How is Mary Elizabeth Taylor related to Samuel Winnall Taylor? I don't have access to Volume 06c or page 168. Is there a link on the internet to those pages?
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Hi re the 1901 with a married Elizabeth Taylor 34 b Lye and family with a Sarah Adams 28 b Cradley at an address used for many years by the Adams family namely Windmill Hill, Cradley either Elizabeth married another Taylor or children are illegitimate, or she is an Adams? the Samuel and Mary A on 1881 shown did have a daughter Elizabeth b 1859
What were the births of the children of Elizabeth on the 1901 via GRO Index, as confused?
Keyboard86
The Adams family did own 50, Windmill Hill and the building used to be a pub. It belonged to Philip Henry Adams then Roy Adams who sold it in the late50s/early 60s.
I'll need to look for 1901 census but the family, you are referring to, must have lived in a different building on the same road called Windmill Hill? I haven't come across an Elizabeth Taylor born in 1859 yet and I'm not having much luck in finding any more info on the parents, Samuel and Mary A Taylor using the search facility - think I need more keywords?
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Hi Elizabeth was a COOKE look at the replies by MaureeninNY and also look at that 1881 Family Search link of 1881 census?
Keyboard86
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Hi Elizabeth was a COOKE look at the replies by MaureeninNY and also look at that 1881 Family Search link of 1881 census?
Keyboard86
Apologies but I'm struggling to understand - I will have another look at the 1881 census.
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Do you mean this link? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27F-KXVG
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Do you mean this link? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27F-KXVG
Yes, and then the John on that census married an Elizabeth Cooke 1889 Stourbridge as John Whinnall Taylor.
Keyboard86
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Hi the couple are with the parents of John W in 1891 census:-
Samuel Taylor 53
Mary A 54
John W 24
Elizabeth 23
Joseph 10 months
Birth registration Joseph Taylor June qtr 1890 Stourbridge mmn COOK
Baptism Joseph Taylor 18th June 1890 Lye Father John Mother Elizabeth
Census ref RG12/2304/140/3
Keyboard86
PS where does Joseph go after 1891, as cannot locate likely death?
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Thank you,Keyboard. :)
Was off doing some Christmas shopping.
Maureen
EDIT: I think this is Joseph in 1911:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7YR-ZKL
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:) OK I'll rephrase that, where is Joseph Taylor b 1890 in 1901 census:-
1901 Census
Samuel Taylor 65 b Lye
Mary Ann 66
Mary Ann 30 Single occ Monthly Nurse b Parkside
Residing at Oldhall Road, Wollescote
Census ref RG13/2755/116/5
Keyboard86
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:) OK I'll rephrase that, where is Joseph Taylor b 1890 in 1901 census:-
1901 Census
Samuel Taylor 65 b Lye
Mary Ann 66
Mary Ann 30 Single occ Monthly Nurse b Parkside
Residing at Oldhall Road, Wollescote
Census ref RG13/2755/116/5
Keyboard86
I don't know. :)
Maureen
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OK have been attempting to locate what happened to Joseph Taylor b 1890 found in 1891 with family, and 1911 with Mary Ann Taylor b 1870 occ Nurse Sick, could be she is the Mary A Taylor b 24th December 1870 shown as Nurse qualified Single in Stourbridge 1939 or she could be the Mary A Taylor who died Stourbridge 1911 aged 41?
Keyboard86
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Are they the same family?
1861 Census: -
Name Samuel Taylor
Age 26
Estimated Birth Year 1835
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Mary A Taylor
Gender Male
Where born Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish Cradley
Ecclesiastical parish Halesowen
County/Island Worcestershire
Country England
Registration district Stourbridge
Sub-registration district Halesowen
ED, institution, or vessel 7
Household schedule number 133
Piece 2063
Folio 103
Page number 27
Household Members
Name Age
Samuel Taylor Age 26 - Horse nailer
Mary A Taylor Age 27 - Nailer
Thomas Taylor Age 5 - Scholar
Elizabeth Taylor Age 3 - Scholar
Joseph Taylor Age 5 months
1871 Census: -
Name Samuel Taylor
Age 36
Estimated Birth Year abt 1835
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Mary Taylor
Gender Male
Where born Lye, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish Cradley
Ecclesiastical parish Cradley
County/Island Worcestershire
Country England
Registration district Stourbridge
Sub-registration district Halesowen
ED, institution, or vessel 7
Household schedule number 173
Piece 3019
Folio 24
Page number 41
Household Members
Name Age
Samuel Taylor 36 - Horse nail maker
Mary Taylor 37 - Horse nail maker
Thomas Taylor 15 - Nail maker
Elizebeth Taylor 12 - Nail maker
Joseph Taylor 10 - Scholar
William Taylor 8 - Scholar
John Taylor 5 - Scholar
Samuel Taylor 3 - Scholar
Mary Taylor 3 Months
1881 Census: -
Name Sara Taylor
Age 8
Estimated Birth Year abt 1873
Relationship to Head Daughter
Father Saml. Taylor
Mother Mary A. Taylor
Gender Female
Where born Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish Wollescote
County/Island Worcestershire
Country England
Street Address Oldnall
Occupation Scholar
Registration district Stourbridge
ED, institution, or vessel 21
Piece 2890
Folio 18
Page number 30
Household Members
Name Age
Saml. Taylor 46 - Labourer
Mary A. Taylor 47
William Taylor 18 - Horse nail maker
John Taylor 15 - Horse nail maker
Samuel Taylor 13 - Scholar
Mary A. Taylor 10 - Scholar
Sara Taylor 8 - Scholar
I have come across this family on the 1891 Census via Ancestry.com: -
Name: Samuel Taylor
Gender: Male
Age: 23
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1868
Father: Samuel Taylor
Mother: Mary A Taylor
Birth Place: Lye, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Wollescote
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Residence Place: Wollescote, Worcestershire, England
Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub registration district: Stourbridge
ED, Institution or Vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2304
Folio: 144
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Taylor 38
Mary A Taylor 49
Mary Taylor 25
Samuel Taylor 23
John H Taylor 19
Benjamin Taylor 10
Same family?
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Hi the couple are with the parents of John W in 1891 census:-
Samuel Taylor 53
Mary A 54
John W 24
Elizabeth 23
Joseph 10 months
Birth registration Joseph Taylor June qtr 1890 Stourbridge mmn COOK
Baptism Joseph Taylor 18th June 1890 Lye Father John Mother Elizabeth
Census ref RG12/2304/140/3
Keyboard86
PS where does Joseph go after 1891, as cannot locate likely death?
Hi again, this is the 1891 census that shows the newly married couple.
Keyboard86
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Hi the couple are with the parents of John W in 1891 census:-
Samuel Taylor 53
Mary A 54
John W 24
Elizabeth 23
Joseph 10 months
Birth registration Joseph Taylor June qtr 1890 Stourbridge mmn COOK
Baptism Joseph Taylor 18th June 1890 Lye Father John Mother Elizabeth
Census ref RG12/2304/140/3
Keyboard86
PS where does Joseph go after 1891, as cannot locate likely death?
Hi again, this is the 1891 census that shows the newly married couple.
Keyboard86
So I have the wrong family from Censuses 1861, 1871, 1881 and 1891 in my previous message?
I'm now confused as I thought I was looking for a Samuel Taylor, father of Sarah Taylor with a brother also named Samuel as both Samuel and Alma (Philip Henry Adams' sister) were witnesses at the marriage of Sarah and Philip's wedding at St. John's, Halesowen in order to find the correct Sarah Taylor?
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Hi again look at that link again for 1881 census with a Sarah Taylor aged 8 b Cradley with a brother Samuel?
Keyboard86
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Hi again look at that link again for 1881 census with a Sarah Taylor aged 8 b Cradley with a brother Samuel?
Keyboard86
1861 Census: -
Name Samuel Taylor
Age 26
Estimated Birth Year 1835
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Mary A Taylor
Gender Male
Where born Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish Cradley
Ecclesiastical parish Halesowen
County/Island Worcestershire
Country England
Registration district Stourbridge
Sub-registration district Halesowen
ED, institution, or vessel 7
Household schedule number 133
Piece 2063
Folio 103
Page number 27
Household Members
Name Age
Samuel Taylor Age 26 - Horse nailer
Mary A Taylor Age 27 - Nailer
Thomas Taylor Age 5 - Scholar
Elizabeth Taylor Age 3 - Scholar
Joseph Taylor Age 5 months
1871 Census: -
Name Samuel Taylor
Age 36
Estimated Birth Year abt 1835
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Mary Taylor
Gender Male
Where born Lye, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish Cradley
Ecclesiastical parish Cradley
County/Island Worcestershire
Country England
Registration district Stourbridge
Sub-registration district Halesowen
ED, institution, or vessel 7
Household schedule number 173
Piece 3019
Folio 24
Page number 41
Household Members
Name Age
Samuel Taylor 36 - Horse nail maker
Mary Taylor 37 - Horse nail maker
Thomas Taylor 15 - Nail maker
Elizebeth Taylor 12 - Nail maker
Joseph Taylor 10 - Scholar
William Taylor 8 - Scholar
John Taylor 5 - Scholar
Samuel Taylor 3 - Scholar
Mary Taylor 3 Months
1881 Census: -
Name Sara Taylor
Age 8
Estimated Birth Year abt 1873
Relationship to Head Daughter
Father Saml. Taylor
Mother Mary A. Taylor
Gender Female
Where born Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish Wollescote
County/Island Worcestershire
Country England
Street Address Oldnall
Occupation Scholar
Registration district Stourbridge
ED, institution, or vessel 21
Piece 2890
Folio 18
Page number 30
Household Members
Name Age
Saml. Taylor 46 - Labourer
Mary A. Taylor 47
William Taylor 18 - Horse nail maker
John Taylor 15 - Horse nail maker
Samuel Taylor 13 - Scholar
Mary A. Taylor 10 - Scholar
Sara Taylor 8 - Scholar
1891 Census:-
Name: Samuel Taylor
Gender: Male
Age: 23
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1868
Father: Samuel Taylor
Mother: Mary A Taylor
Birth Place: Lye, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Wollescote
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Residence Place: Wollescote, Worcestershire, England
Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub registration district: Stourbridge
ED, Institution or Vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2304
Folio: 144
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Taylor 38
Mary A Taylor 49
Mary Taylor 25
Samuel Taylor 23
John H Taylor 19
Benjamin Taylor 10
Marriage: -
18 August 1895 at St, John, The, Baptist, Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Philip Henry ADAMS 23 B Stock Taker Belle Vale Hawne Father John Billingham Adams Stock Taker Sarah TAYLOR 22 S The Mount Boro' Father Samuel Taylor Labourer After Banns/Both Signed Wit; Samuel Taylor / Alma Adams
As you mentioned somewhere on here that Sarah Taylor worked as a servant at The Mount Boro' so seeing that she would have been 18 years old, Sarah may be listed under The Mount Boro' employer on the 1891 census?
So sorry I have looked again but I can't see where or how the Cook Family fits in as don't see them on the 1881 Census?
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Do you mean this link? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27F-KXVG
Yes, and then the John on that census married an Elizabeth Cooke 1889 Stourbridge as John Whinnall Taylor.
Keyboard86
The 1891 census family shows this couple?
Keyboard86
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Hi re your other query re " The Mount", in 1891 a Sarah Taylor is aged 18 b Lye occ Servant at The Mount, Bromsgrove Street, Halesowen
Census ref RG12/2301/125/37
Keyboard86
This I is who I think Sarah is in 1891 census
Keyboard86
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Do you mean this link? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27F-KXVG
Yes, and then the John on that census married an Elizabeth Cooke 1889 Stourbridge as John Whinnall Taylor.
Keyboard86
The 1891 census family shows this couple?
Keyboard86
No, can't see Elizabeth Cooke or John Whinnall Taylor when I click on your link. It comes up as shown below: -
Sara Taylor
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name Sara Taylor
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Wollescote, Worcestershire, England
Registration District Stourbridge
Gender Female
Age 8
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1873
Birthplace Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Page Number 30
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 2890/18
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Saml Taylor Head M 46 England
Mary A Taylor Wife F 47 England
William Taylor Son M 18 Lye, Worcestershire, England
John Taylor Son M 15 Wollescote, Worcestershire, England
Saml Taylor Son M 13 Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Mary A Taylor Daughter F 10 Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Sara Taylor Daughter F 8 Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Citing this Record
"England and Wales Census, 1881," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27F-KXVG : 12 December 2017), Sara Taylor in household of Saml Taylor, Wollescote, Worcestershire, England; from "1881 England, Scotland and Wales Census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing p. 30, Piece/Folio 2890/18, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey; FHL microfilm 101,774,823.
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Hi re your other query re " The Mount", in 1891 a Sarah Taylor is aged 18 b Lye occ Servant at The Mount, Bromsgrove Street, Halesowen
Census ref RG12/2301/125/37
Keyboard86
This I is who I think Sarah is in 1891 census
Keyboard86
I can't find the link for that one - how do I do it?
The age 18 fits and also the name The Mount but not sure where "Boro" comes in as mentioned in their wedding document?
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Do you mean this link? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27F-KXVG
Yes, and then the John on that census married an Elizabeth Cooke 1889 Stourbridge as John Whinnall Taylor.
Keyboard86
As John Whinnall Taylor did not marry Elizabeth Cooke until 1889 you will not find them together?
Keyboard86
PS maybe "Boro" is short for Bromsgrove?
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Do you mean this link? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27F-KXVG
Yes, and then the John on that census married an Elizabeth Cooke 1889 Stourbridge as John Whinnall Taylor.
Keyboard86
As John Whinnall Taylor did not marry Elizabeth Cooke until 1889 you will not find them together?
Keyboard86
PS maybe "Boro" is short for Bromsgrove?
I only found the couple by typing in their names and marriage date and came up with this link: https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/2DF9-YTY
but nothing to link them to Sara Taylor's family...?
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:) OK re Sarah Taylor in 1891 I know you use Anc***** she is Sarah Taylor 1873 b Lye in Halesowen
Keyboard86
Please please read through the posts !
John in 1881 is John Whinnall Taylor plain John Taylor in 1881 above.
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Going by the marriage of John Whinnall Taylor to Elizabeth COOKE 1889 Stourbridge.
TAYLOR, JOHN WINNALL mmnCOOKE
1892 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 165
TAYLOR, KATHLEEN COOKE (I think she's Annie in 1901 but Kathleen in 1911)
1901 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 155
TAYLOR, MARY ELIZABETH COOKE
1898 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 148
The father,John W doesn't seem to be born with Whinnall as a middle name but his brother,Samuel is :
TAYLOR, SAMUEL WINNALL mmnSOUTHALL
1868 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 168
This is John/Samuel of 1881 census family?
Keyboard86
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Going by the marriage of John Whinnall Taylor to Elizabeth COOKE 1889 Stourbridge.
TAYLOR, JOHN WINNALL mmnCOOKE
1892 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 165
TAYLOR, KATHLEEN COOKE (I think she's Annie in 1901 but Kathleen in 1911)
1901 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 155
TAYLOR, MARY ELIZABETH COOKE
1898 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 148
The father,John W doesn't seem to be born with Whinnall as a middle name but his brother,Samuel is :
TAYLOR, SAMUEL WINNALL mmnSOUTHALL
1868 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 168
This is John/Samuel of 1881 census family?
Keyboard86
Is the above from FamilySearch or Ancestry.com?
Neither John or Samuel Jnr doesn't appear to have a middle name on any of the censuses.
I think we have two different families as I've seen a John 'W' Taylor on another 1881 census. I'm hoping these links works so you can see the Censuses: -
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7572/WORRG11_2889_2892-0336/23408157?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/117370586/person/120162808497/facts/citation/540378511626/edit/record
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/6598/WORRG12_2304_2306-0091?pid=15139761&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D6598%26h%3D15139761%26tid%3D117370586%26pid%3D120162808497%26hid%3D100534640266%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DVZf396%26_phstart%3Ddefault%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue&treeid=117370586&personid=120162808497&hintid=100534640266&usePUB=true&_phsrc=VZf396&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true
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:) Look the above post shows the births of the children of John W Taylor and Elizabeth Cooke/Cook, I will not attempt to read through your latest post, just suggest you spend more time reading through the replies eg MaureeninNY?
Keyboard86
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:) Look the above post shows the births of the children of John W Taylor and Elizabeth Cooke/Cook, I will not attempt to read through your latest post, just suggest you spend more time reading through the replies eg MaureeninNY?
Keyboard86
I don't know how to link them up as when I click on their names, it doesn't show their partners or any extra information. I've also typed in John W, Winnell or Whinnell Taylor in my search box on ancestry.com and nothing... but there is a John Winnell. So frustrating so I think I'll have to leave it till I'm able to have a full day to travel plus spend the day at the Black Country Family archives in Tipton and ask for help/guidance on how to research the family tree.
Anyway thank you for going to all the trouble and I will keep the link to this post so I can use it when I'm at Tipton archives centre and ask someone there to show me how it all works, how to link them, etc...
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On the 1881 Census, Sara is on and her father is listed as Labourer the same as it was on her marriage to Philip Henry Adams.
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:) Look please believe me all that has been posted by all that have assisted you is correct?
Keybard86
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:) Look please believe me all that has been posted by all that have assisted you is correct?
Keybard86
How do I access GRO and what does GRO stands for?
TAYLOR, JOHN WINNALL mmnCOOKE Does "mmn" means marriage?
1892 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 165
TAYLOR, KATHLEEN COOKE (I think she's Annie in 1901 but Kathleen in 1911)
1901 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 155
TAYLOR, MARY ELIZABETH COOKE
1898 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 148
The father,John W doesn't seem to be born with Whinnall as a middle name but his brother,Samuel is :
TAYLOR, SAMUEL WINNALL mmnSOUTHALL Did Samuel marry a Southall? Was her first name Isabella?
1868 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 168
Thanks
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mmn stands for mothers maiden name
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mmn stands for mothers maiden name
Many thanks :)
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Hi you have posted yourself the relevant census returns for the parents of Sarah Taylor b 1873 with Father Samuel and brother Samuel, the parents married 8th June 1854 St Edmund's Dudley Samuel Taylor 19 to Mary Ann SOUTHALL 20 Grooms Father William Brides Father Joseph
Sarah Taylor June qtr 1873 Stourbridge v6c page 168 mmn SOUTHWELL
Samuel Taylor jnr marries a Lizzie Roberts Sept qtr 1889 Stourbridge 6c 208 Samuel uses OLDNAL/OLDNALL or Stourbridge as pob, the same address as the 1881 you posted ( Original) of family.
Keyboard86
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Hi you have posted yourself the relevant census returns for the parents of Sarah Taylor b 1873 with Father Samuel and brother Samuel, the parents married 8th June 1854 St Edmund's Dudley Samuel Taylor 19 to Mary Ann SOUTHALL 20 Grooms Father William Brides Father Joseph
Sarah Taylor June qtr 1873 Stourbridge v6c page 168 mmn SOUTHWELL
Samuel Taylor jnr marries a Lizzie Roberts Sept qtr 1889 Stourbridge 6c 208 Samuel uses OLDNAL/OLDNALL or Stourbridge as pob, the same address as the 1881 you posted ( Original) of family.
Keyboard86
Thank you for confirming. I have come across the 1951 census with Samuel's father William listed as coming from Chowbent Lane and the only Chowbent I can find via Google Maps is in Manchester. Is this correct?
Regarding Sarah Adams nee Taylor, as I cannot find her on the 1921 census, am assuming she has either moved away or has died? I have come across the below death records of a Sarah Taylor but the registration district is Bromsgrove?: -
Name: Sarah Adams
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Registration Year: 1914
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 41
Registration district: Bromsgrove
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 245
I'm now speculating that Sarah may have ended up at Barnsley Hall Hospital but I have no way of proving this as I don't have access to Volume: 6c and page 245?
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You would need to apply for the death certificate from the qtr, year, volume and page.
www.gro.gov.uk is the cheapest place to place your order
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Thanks Pauline but I'm reluctant to order and would only do it if I'm confident that it is her.
I think Barnsley Hall Hospital has been pulled down? Wondering if there's a way of accessing their hospital records?
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Hi so you feel Sarah had Mental health problems, as that particular hosptital closed in 1996 and was a Psychiatric Hospital.
A bit if/buts/and maybes?
Keyboard86
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Hi so you feel Sarah had Mental health problems, as that particular hosptital closed in 1996 and was a Psychiatric Hospital.
A bit if/buts/and maybes?
Keyboard86
Hi,
Agree if/but/maybes.... I'm just speculating at this point as seeing on the 1911 census that Sarah appears to have had 3 children, 2 sons Arthur John and Philip Edwin and lost one child plus ended up as a Border to William Worton. She hasn't lived with her husband Philip Henry Adams for many years plus has moved from one place to another so am wondering that she may have suffered some kind of depression after the loss of her child? I can't find records for the deceased child, which doesn't help either...
My Dad was surprised when I showed the 1911 census to him as he knew nothing about the 3rd child.
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:) Hi again, have only had a cursory glance, but have you purchased any Birth/Marriage & Death certificates or relied on records available online?
Keyboard86
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:) Hi again, have only had a cursory glance, but have you purchased any Birth/Marriage & Death certificates or relied on records available online?
Keyboard86
Yes for other members but not for Sarah Taylor yet as I also am struggling to find records of her baptism too. I only have her marriage records.
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Hello,
I have sent you a personal message.
kd
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Hello,
Just to inform you
I have ordered the death certificate for Sarah Adams 1914 Bromsgrove.
I will post the details on here when it arrives.
kd
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Hi kd,
I have made a start of ordering Sarah Taylor's birth certificate in PDF last night and stopped as I'm not sure how to fill in the COL number... Things have certainly changed since the last time I ordered a hard copy certificate.
Can you please advise me re where do I get the COL Number from as I need to fill in as shown below: -
"My Recent Order Details
Please enter the COL Number of a specific order or start and end dates for the period you wish to view:
Please ensure that you download your PDF copy of an entry to your device within 3 months from notification that your order is placed. To download your PDF click on the View PDF button to view your image. Select "File" and "Save as" and save to a folder on your device.
Orders are only retained on the online ordering system for three months after which they are deleted, including any PDF documents attached to the order."
Thanks in advance
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Hi Adams,
You should have an email once you have completed your order, that will give details and Col Number.
kd
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Hi Adams,
You should have an email once you have completed your order, that will give details and Col Number.
kd
Ah! Thanks and I will check my junk mails inbox. Thanks
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Found the email and I realise I don't need to do anything yet regarding COL unless I have any enquiries regarding my application. So now I sit and wait for the arrival of my PDF certificate, which I will share on here.
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Hello,
Have received the death certificate for Sarah Adams 1914.
Unfortunately its not the right one this Sarah was the wife of Thomas Adams.
kd
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Hello,
Have received the death certificate for Sarah Adams 1914.
Unfortunately its not the right one this Sarah was the wife of Thomas Adams.
kd
Thank you and the search continues - wondering where she has disappeared to?
I have also received the PDF but am having problems in opening it so I've tried opening the details and ended up with blanks next to Date of birth, etc!:- :'( I'm going to email the PDF to my hubby, see if he can open it...
Surname at birth TAYLOR
Forename(s) at birth SARAH
Date of birth
Place of Birth
Father's surname
Father's forename(s)
Mother's maiden surname
Mother's forename(s)
Mother's surname at birth
Year Qtr District Vol Page Reg Ent no DOR
1873 Jun STOURBRIDGE 06C 168
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Hi,
Have you gone to the GRO site and put in the COL number.
You should be able to view the PDF that way.
kd
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I had to download the PDF App first and it worked.
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Hi,
I don't know if this could be the 3rd child. There are quite a few Adams/ Taylor Marriages
Births Sep 1914
ADAMS Eric T Taylor Stourbridge 6c 29
Deaths Dec 1914
Adams Eric T 0 Stourbridge 6c 1
I still can't find a death for Sarah
kd
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Hi the marriage of Samuel Taylor to Mary Ann Southwell, could her surname have been SOUTHALL?
Keyboard86
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Hi,
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1854
TAYLOR Samuel SOUTHALL Mary A Dudley, St Edmund
kd
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Hi not certain of that marriage date, but in 1881 census is a SARA Taylor b 1873 with parents Samuel/Mary Ann the siblings from 1863 with her that I have checked, appear to have mmn Southall.
RG11/2890/18/30
Keyboard86
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First name(s) Samuel
Last name Taylor
Name note -
Age 19
Marriage year 1854
Marriage date 08 Jun 1854
Marriage place Dudley
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Taylor
Spouse's first name(s) Mary Ann
Spouse's last name Southall
Spouse's birth year 1834
Spouse's birth date 1834
Spouse's father's first name(s) Joseph
Spouse's father's last name Southall
Residence Dudley, Worcester, England
County Worcestershire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain
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Hi,
Name Joseph Southall
Gender Male
Marriage Date 16 Aug 1832
Marriage Place Clent, Worcestershire, England
Spouse Elizabeth Winnall
kd
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Hi the Winnall name was used as a middle name for the Samuel b June qtr Stourbridge 1868 mmn Southall
Family in 1871 with Samuel occ Horse Nail Maker RG10/3019/24/41
Keyboard86
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Hi the marriage of Samuel Taylor to Mary Ann Southwell, could her surname have been SOUTHALL?
Keyboard86
Southwell was put down as Mother's maiden name on Sarah Taylor's birth certificate but I think it is supposed to be Southall as that was Mary Ann's maiden name at her marriage to Samuel Taylor: -
Name Mary Ann Southall
Gender Female Age20
Birth Date 1834
Marriage Date 08 Jun 1854
Marriage Place St. Edmund'S, Dudley, Worcester, England
Father Joseph Southall
Spouse Samuel Taylor
FHL Film Number 992182
Reference ID yr 1852-1856 p 118Household Members
Joseph Southall
Mary Ann Southall
Samuel Taylor
William Taylor
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Hi again, so you have all of the siblings for Sara/Sarah Taylor mmn Southwell is that correct.
Keyboard86
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Hi,
I don't know if this could be the 3rd child. There are quite a few Adams/ Taylor Marriages
Births Sep 1914
ADAMS Eric T Taylor Stourbridge 6c 29
Deaths Dec 1914
Adams Eric T 0 Stourbridge 6c 1
I still can't find a death for Sarah
kd
Not sure if Eric is the third brother of Arthur John and Philip Edwin Adams? Their mother Sarah was living at her sister in law's on the 1901 Census... so it looks like she moved out sometime between the birth of Philip Edwin in 1899 and the 1901 census?
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Hi again, so you have all of the siblings for Sara/Sarah Taylor mmn Southwell is that correct.
Keyboard86
Samuel Taylor & Mary Ann (nee Southall)'s children: -
Thomas - Baptised 12 April 1857
Elizabeth - baptised 12 April 1857 but was born in 1859?
Joseph - 10 November 1862
William - 1863
John - 1866
Samuel - 1868
Mary Ann - 1871
Sarah - born 19 March 1873
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Hi,
I think there is another child living with Joseph and elizabeth Southall in census
TAYLOR, ELIZA SOUTHALL Order
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 156
1861 Oldnall
Joseph Southall Head Married Male 52 1809 Warehouseman -
Elizabeth Southall Wife Married Female 50 1811 Nailer -
Eliza Taylor Granddaughter - Female 6 1855 Scholar
1871 Oldnall
Joseph Southall Head - Male 61 1810 - Worcestershire, England
Elizabeth Southall Wife - Female 60 1811 - Worcestershire, England
Eliza Taylor Granddaughter - Female 16 1855 - Worcestershire, England
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Hi again, Eliza Taylor has mmn Southall
Keyboard86
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Hi,
Coincidence ?
1939 shows a Sarah Adams Widow living 45 Windmill Hill with Fanny Kendrick but birth date is 30 Dec 1870
kd
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Hi,
Coincidence ?
1939 shows a Sarah Adams Widow living 45 Windmill Hill with Fanny Kendrick but birth date is 30 Dec 1870
kd
Yes I saw that one but don't think it is our Sarah as Philip Henry Adams was still alive then... Philip Henry Adams passed away on 21 March 1953.
Wonder if Sarah is on the 1951 Census?
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Hi,
Looking at my records i have William Cox 1842 brother of Emma Cox emigrating to America in 1903, on it he states he is going to Samuel Taylor brother in law.
Name: William Cox
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 17 Mar 1903
Event Place: Ellis Island, New York City, New York, United States
Residence Place: Sturbridge
Gender: Male
Age: 58
Marital Status: Widow
Nationality: England, English
Birth Year: 1845
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship Name: Ivernia
Arrival Contact Name: Samuel Taylor
Arrival Contact Name Relationship: Bro In Law
Page Number: 87
Affiliate Line Number: 0019
I am now more confused than ever.
kd
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Hi,
Looking at my records i have William Cox 1842 brother of Emma Cox emigrating to America in 1903, on it he states he is going to Samuel Taylor brother in law.
Name: William Cox
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 17 Mar 1903
Event Place: Ellis Island, New York City, New York, United States
Residence Place: Sturbridge
Gender: Male
Age: 58
Marital Status: Widow
Nationality: England, English
Birth Year: 1845
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship Name: Ivernia
Arrival Contact Name: Samuel Taylor
Arrival Contact Name Relationship: Bro In Law
Page Number: 87
Affiliate Line Number: 0019
I am now more confused than ever.
kd
How can Samuel Taylor be William Cox's brother in law? As far as I can see from my family tree, none of William's sisters have married a Samuel Taylor? Samuel Taylor was William Cox's nephew Philip Henry Adams' wife Sarah Taylor's father....
However I have found two William Cox born during the year 1842 in Stourbridge (Jan-Feb-Mar) & (Oct-Nov-Dec) Neither mention the parents and one in Halesowen, the latter whose parents are Edward and Ann Cox.
Do you have William Cox's date of birth or baptism?
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Hi,
I don't have his baptism just this
COX, WILLIAM PARRISH
GRO Reference: 1842 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 463
That is what i don't understand the William that goes to America is on the 1910 Census with son Philip.
kd
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I've found a William Cox 7 February 1842 born in Colley Gate, Cradley, Worcestershire. Did he marry a Taylor?
Died in 1901: -
Name: William Cox
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Registration Year: 1901
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Worcester
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 166
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I have him marrying
25 Dec 1863 Oldswinford
COX William GITTENS Maria Oldswinford, St Mary
This is the son Philip
COX, PHILIP WILFRID GITTENS Order
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 183
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I have found two William Cox born during the year 1842 in Stourbridge
(Jan-Feb-Mar) & (Oct-Nov-Dec)
Neither mention the parents and one in Halesowen, the latter whose parents are Edward and Ann Cox.
Do you have William Cox's date of birth or baptism?
I don't have his baptism just this
COX, WILLIAM PARRISH
GRO Reference: 1842 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 463
That is what i don't understand the William that goes to America is on the 1910 Census with son Philip.
COX, WILLIAM mmn NOKE
1842 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 453
Here are some other births mmn Parrish
COX, ANN MARIA mmn PARRISH
1843 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 455
COX, ELIZABETH PARRISH
1847 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 402
COX, JANE PARRISH
1849 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 444
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None of this is making sense
Name: William Cox
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age: 63
Birth Date: abt 1857
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 13 Jul 1920
Death Place: South Fayette, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, USA
Father: Edwin Cox
Mother: Ann Parish
Certificate Number: 80210
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I dont have any of these names
Here are some other births mmn Parrish
COX, ANN MARIA mmn PARRISH
1843 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 455
COX, ELIZABETH PARRISH
1847 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 402
COX, JANE PARRISH
1849 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 444
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There is also this birth entry on GRO mmn PARRISH
COX, JEMIMA mmn PARRISH
1838 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 421
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I have found two William Cox born during the year 1842 in Stourbridge
(Jan-Feb-Mar) & (Oct-Nov-Dec)
Neither mention the parents and one in Halesowen, the latter whose parents are Edward and Ann Cox.
Do you have William Cox's date of birth or baptism?
I don't have his baptism just this
COX, WILLIAM PARRISH
GRO Reference: 1842 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 463
That is what i don't understand the William that goes to America is on the 1910 Census with son Philip.
COX, WILLIAM mmn NOKE
1842 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 453
Here are some other births mmn Parrish
COX, ANN MARIA mmn PARRISH
1843 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 455
COX, ELIZABETH PARRISH
1847 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 402
COX, JANE PARRISH
1849 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 444
Confusing!
I have the following: -
Edwin Cox Baptised 11 November 1810 at Cradley, Worcestershire - 26 December 1881
Married on 25 December 1836 at Oldswinford to
Ann Parish Baptised 21 October 1814 at St. John's Halesowen - 2 May 1890
Children: -
Eliza Cox 1836 - 1920
Charles Cox 1837
Thomas Cox 1839
William Cox 1842
Sarah Cox 1843
Simeon Cox 1848
Emma Cox 1850
Louisa Cox 1853
Caleb Cox 1855 - 1930
Fanny Cox 1860 - 1915
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Thats what i have Adams
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Ive just been sent this
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I dont have any of these names
Here are some other births mmn Parrish
COX, ANN MARIA mmn PARRISH
1843 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 455
COX, ELIZABETH PARRISH
1847 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 402
COX, JANE PARRISH
1849 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 444
This appears to be the above persons on 1851 census
John Cox 37
Mary Cox 39
John Cox 9
Ann Mariah Cox 7
Elizabeth Cox 4
Jane Cox 1
Piece 2036 Folio 867 Page number 6
Jemima Cox Baptism 1 Apr 1838 Kingswinford and St Marys Chapelry,Stafford
Death Date: 9 Feb 1845
Father: John Cox mother: Mary
COX, JOHN mmn PARRISH
1841 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 416
COX, JEMIMA mmn PARRISH
1852 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 196
1861 Piece 2071 Folio10 Page number15
John Cox 47
Mary Cox 49
John Cox 19
Ann M Cox 17
Elizh Cox 13
Jane Cox 11
Jemima Cox 8
Richd Pargeter nephew 13
Willm Pargeter ' 11
Benjn Malpas ' 6
Elizh Malpas neice 4
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Ive just been sent this
As both parents' names are there so that will be the correct William Cox.
Confusing re Samuel Taylor being his brother in law...?
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Louisa Cox
Baptism 25 Jul 1852 Halesowen,Worcester
Father: Edwin Cox Mother: Ann
COX, LOUISA mmn PARRISH
1852 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 154
Charles Cox 15 Jan 1837 Halesowen,Worcester,England Edwin, Ann
Simeon Cox 30 Jan 1848 Halesowen,Worcester,England Edwin,Ann
Sarah Cox 30 Jan 1848 Halesowen,Worcester,England Edwin, Ann
1861 census Piece: 2064Folio: 29 Page Number: 5
Edwin 51 gun barrell grinder
Ann Cox 47
Thomas Cox 22
William Cox 19
Sarah Cox 16
Simeon Cox 14
Emma Cox 11
Louisa Cox 9
Caleb Cox 6
Fanny Cox 1
Charles Edmonds visitor 30
COX, SIMEON mmn PARISH
1847 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 409
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Louisa Cox
Baptism 25 Jul 1852 Halesowen,Worcester
Father: Edwin Cox Mother: Ann
COX, LOUISA mmn PARRISH
1852 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 154
Charles Cox 15 Jan 1837 Halesowen,Worcester,England Edwin, Ann
Simeon Cox 30 Jan 1848 Halesowen,Worcester,England Edwin,Ann
Sarah Cox 30 Jan 1848 Halesowen,Worcester,England Edwin, Ann
1861 census Piece: 2064Folio: 29 Page Number: 5
Edwin 51 gun barrell grinder
Ann Cox 47
Thomas Cox 22
William Cox 19
Sarah Cox 16
Simeon Cox 14
Emma Cox 11
Louisa Cox 9
Caleb Cox 6
Fanny Cox 1
Charles Edmonds visitor 30
COX, SIMEON mmn PARISH
1847 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 409
Yes they're our ancestors :)
Now just how to figure out where Samuel Taylor fits in as William Cox's brother in law?
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This family will be the death of me.
I can't see a connection to Samuel Taylor apart from Sarah's father.
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Louisa Cox
Baptism 25 Jul 1852 Halesowen,Worcester
Father: Edwin Cox Mother: Ann
COX, LOUISA mmn PARRISH
1852 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 154
Charles Cox 15 Jan 1837 Halesowen,Worcester,England Edwin, Ann
Simeon Cox 30 Jan 1848 Halesowen,Worcester,England Edwin,Ann
Sarah Cox 30 Jan 1848 Halesowen,Worcester,England Edwin, Ann
1861 census Piece: 2064Folio: 29 Page Number: 5
Edwin 51 gun barrell grinder
Ann Cox 47
Thomas Cox 22
William Cox 19
Sarah Cox 16
Simeon Cox 14
Emma Cox 11
Louisa Cox 9
Caleb Cox 6
Fanny Cox 1
Charles Edmonds visitor 30
COX, SIMEON mmn PARISH
1847 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 409
Yes they're our ancestors :)
there is a public tree on Ancestry that has these details - you would need to verify
Edwin Cox 1809 - 1881
Ann Parish 1814-1890
son William Cox 1842– died 1901 APRIL Worcester, Worcestershire
Married Dorothy Vaughan 1844-1925
their children William J 1862
Samuel J 1864
Florence Gertrude 1870-1935
Edith 1874-1929
James Harry 1878
Agnes Dorothy 1879-1966
Annie May 1882-1953 (photo of Annie also picture of her husband
Michael Harry Draper 1886-1929 and their son Eric born 1913d1969
Thomas 1885
1861 Apr-May-Jun Registration district Kidderminster Volume 6c Page 256
Dorothy Vaughan
names on same page
William Cox
Alfred Haycock
Mary Preston
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Louisa Cox
Baptism 25 Jul 1852 Halesowen,Worcester
Father: Edwin Cox Mother: Ann
COX, LOUISA mmn PARRISH
1852 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 154
Charles Cox 15 Jan 1837 Halesowen,Worcester,England Edwin, Ann
Simeon Cox 30 Jan 1848 Halesowen,Worcester,England Edwin,Ann
Sarah Cox 30 Jan 1848 Halesowen,Worcester,England Edwin, Ann
1861 census Piece: 2064Folio: 29 Page Number: 5
Edwin 51 gun barrell grinder
Ann Cox 47
Thomas Cox 22
William Cox 19
Sarah Cox 16
Simeon Cox 14
Emma Cox 11
Louisa Cox 9
Caleb Cox 6
Fanny Cox 1
Charles Edmonds visitor 30
COX, SIMEON mmn PARISH
1847 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 409
Yes they're our ancestors :)
there is a public tree on Ancestry that has these details - you would need to verify
Edwin Cox 1809 - 1881
Ann Parish 1814-1890
son William Cox 1842– died 1901 APRIL Worcester, Worcestershire
Married Dorothy Vaughan 1844-1925
their children William J 1862
Samuel J 1864
Florence Gertrude 1870-1935
Edith 1874-1929
James Harry 1878
Agnes Dorothy 1879-1966
Annie May 1882-1953 (photo of Annie also picture of her husband
Michael Harry Draper 1886-1929 and their son Eric born 1913d1969
Thomas 1885
1861 Apr-May-Jun Registration district Kidderminster Volume 6c Page 256
Dorothy Vaughan
names on same page
William Cox
Alfred Haycock
Mary Preston
Not the right Family
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
17, Pleasant Arbour, Kidderminster Old Borough, Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England
William Cox Head Married Male 41 1840 Boatman Middlesex, England
Dorothy Cox Wife Married Female 33 1848 - Stourport-On-Severn, Worcestershire, England
Samuel Jesse Cox Son Single Male 17 1864 Boatman Stourport-On-Severn, Worcestershire, England
Florence Gertrude Cox Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Stourport-On-Severn, Worcestershire, England
Edith Mary Cox Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England
James Harry Cox Son Single Male 4 1877 Scholar Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England
Agnes Dorothy Cox Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England
Ellen Taylor Niece Single Female 24 1857 - Stourport-On-Severn, Worcestershire, England
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Is this our Thomas Cox 10 July 1838 who married Jane Ellen Hughes?
Name: Thomas Cox
Registration Year: 1839
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Stourbridge
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 18
Page: 413
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Yes he is buried in St Peters Churchyard with wife and sons Walter and Arthur.
He had The Round of Beef Public house, his son Harry Vernon took it over.
Born 10 July 1838 Died 30 April 1902.
Married 7 July 1861 St Peters Cradley
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Yes he is buried in St Peters Churchyard with wife and sons Walter and Arthur.
He had The Round of Beef Public house, his son Harry Vernon took it over.
Born 10 July 1838 Died 30 April 1902.
Married 7 July 1861 St Peters Cradley
Yes but registered in 1839?
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Hadn't noticed that
COX, THOMAS Mothers Maiden Name PARISH
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 413
Is there a baptism for him?
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Cox
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1839
Baptism date 11 Aug 1839
Place Halesowen
County Worcestershire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Edward
Father's last name Cox
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
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Just looked at my notes and i have this (I may have written it down wrong)
Inscription in St Peters church born 10.7.1838 died 30.4.1902
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Hadn't noticed that
COX, THOMAS Mothers Maiden Name PARISH
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 413
Is there a baptism for him?
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Cox
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1839
Baptism date 11 Aug 1839
Place Halesowen
County Worcestershire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Edward
Father's last name Cox
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
Ah, not the right one then as father is Edward Cox not Edwin. Didn't realise Thomas Cox was born on 10 July 1838 as I put that down as baptised. Will have a look at the graves at St Peter's next time I go. Whereabouts is it?
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I am almost certain that it is our Thomas. All the baptisms of the children were at St. John's Halesowen.
CoxCaleb——1854England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975Halesowen, Worcestershire, England( Edwin and Ann)
CoxCharles——1837England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975Halesowen, Worcestershire, England ( Edwin and Ann)
CoxEmma——1850England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975Halesowen, Worcestershire, England (Edwin and Ann)
CoxFanny Maria——1859England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975Halesowen, Worcestershire, England(Edwin and Ann)
CoxLouisa——1852England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975Halesowen, Worcestershire, England(Edwin and Ann)
CoxSarah——1848England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975Halesowen, Worcestershire, England (Edwin and Ann)
CoxSimeon——1848England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975Halesowen, Worcestershire, England (Edwin and Ann)
CoxThomas——1839England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975Halesowen, Worcestershire, England(Edward and Ann)
CoxWilliam——1842England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975Halesowen, Worcestershire, England (Edward and Ann)
I cannot remember where the grave is as it was years ago when I did the research.
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Hi,
Looking at my records i have William Cox 1842 brother of Emma Cox emigrating to America in 1903, on it he states he is going to Samuel Taylor brother in law.
Name: William Cox
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 17 Mar 1903
Event Place: Ellis Island, New York City, New York, United States
Residence Place: Sturbridge
Gender: Male
Age: 58
Marital Status: Widow
Nationality: England, English
Birth Year: 1845
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship Name: Ivernia
Arrival Contact Name: Samuel Taylor
Arrival Contact Name Relationship: Bro In Law
Page Number: 87
Affiliate Line Number: 0019
I am now more confused than ever.
kd
I've just seen a list of William Coxes immigrating to USA so wondering how you chose this one and whether it's the correct William Cox hence the confusion over brother in law? He would have been immigrating there for his son Philip Wilfred Cox's wedding?
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Name: Philip Wilfred Cox
Arrival date: 16 Jul 1903
Birth Date: abt 1884
Age: 19
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Aurania
Philip said he was going to father so William was there before him
Philips marriage attached
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Name: Philip Wilfred Cox
Arrival date: 16 Jul 1903
Birth Date: abt 1884
Age: 19
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Aurania
Philip said he was going to father so William was there before him
Philips marriage attached
Ah! I came across another marriage for Philip W Cox, widower (same parents) marrying Bess A McKeown, also a widow on 16 April 1945. I've tried uploading my attachment but it's large so will need to find a way of resizing it.
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Hi,
Have just found that record
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Looking at my records i have
William Cox 1842 brother of Emma Cox
emigrating to America in 1903,
on it he states he is going to Samuel Taylor brother in law.
William Cox
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 17 Mar 1903
Event Place: Ellis Island, New York City, New York, United States
Residence Place: Sturbridge
Age: 58
Marital Status: Widow
Nationality: England, English
Birth Year: 1845
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship Name: Ivernia
Arrival Contact Name: Samuel Taylor
Arrival Contact Name Relationship: Bro In Law
Page Number: 87
Affiliate Line Number: 0019
William Cox Race: White Age: 63
Birth Date: abt 1857
Birth Place: England
Death 13 Jul 1920 South Fayette, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, USA
Father: Edwin Cox Mother: Ann Parish
Certificate Number: 80210
There seems to be quite a big age gap (12 years) between the immigration and death record :-\
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Lied about his age ?
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I've found a William Cox 7 February 1842 born in Colley Gate, Cradley, Worcestershire.
Did he marry a Taylor?
have him marrying
25 Dec 1863 Oldswinford
COX William
GITTENS Maria Oldswinford, St Mary
This is the son Philip
COX, PHILIP WILFRID GITTENS
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 183
Do you have William's m/c to Ann Maria (Gittens) confirming his father's name?
William Cox 48 Cradley occ Anvil Gr?nder Tool
Ann Maria Cox 44
Earnest F Cox 23
Laura L Cox 15
William H Cox 15
Phillip W Cox 7
All others born Lye Worcestershire
1891 RG12; Piece: 2304; Folio: 109; Page: 2 – Bottle Lane
William Cox 39 Colley Gate occ Anvil Grinder
Ann Maria Cox 38
Ernest Frank Cox 13
Laura Louisa Cox 8
William Henry Cox 5
1881 Bottle Lane
William Cox 29 Two Gates Cradley occ Cutter Grinder
Ann Marie Cox 28
Ernest Frank Cox 3
Edward Daniel Cox 1 Month
1871 RG10; Piece: 3023; Folio: 171; Page: 22
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Haven't got the marriage cert i am waiting for it.
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I've lost the plot on this thread. Sorry.
Just to note that the William COX arriving on the Ivernia Mar 17 1903 is listed on Ancestry as William CON. I'm terrible at reading the manifests.
The Samuel TAYLOR living at 291 Caldwell St 1900 census - born Dec 1855 England -Pittsburgh Ward 13, Allegheny, Pennsylvania looks like the "relative".
Don't get the connection,though. Samuel married Mary Ann CHANCE June Qtr 1875 Stourbridge.
That's it for me. ;)
Maureen
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William Cox Race: White Age: 63
Birth Date: abt 1857
Birth Place: England
Death 13 Jul 1920 South Fayette, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, USA
Father: Edwin Cox Mother: Ann Parish
Certificate Number: 80210
There’s this census record which may relate to the death record of above William Cox in 1920,
his year of immigration is 1884
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RJ1-GJ2?i=17&cc=1488411
1920 South Fayette, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
William Cox born c1857widowed, year of immigration 1884
Name: Philip Wilfred Cox
Arrival date: 16 Jul 1903
Birth Date: abt 1884
Age: 19
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Aurania
Philip said he was going to father so William was there before him
Philips marriage attached
Ah! I came across another marriage for Philip W Cox, widower (same parents) marrying Bess A McKeown, also a widow on 16 April 1945.
I've tried uploading my attachment but it's large so will need to find a way of resizing it.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRK7-P69?i=391&cc=1727033
1910 census Pittsburgh Ward 10, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
William Cox labourer Married White Head 1854 immigration yr 1894 NA
Phillips Cox puddler Married White Son 1884 immigration year 1894 Al
Mary Cox 32 Married White Daughter-in-law 1878 England 1882
Edna M Cox 4 Single White Granddaughter 1906 Pennsylvania
John G Cox 3 Single White Grandson 1907 Pennsylvania
Elizabeth Cox 0 Single White Granddaughter 1910 Pennsylvania
Na (Naturalized)
Al (Alien)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RF7-CYH?i=2559&cc=1488411
1920 Philip Cox & family (Year of immigration for Philip 1904)
Pittsburgh Ward 10, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R8H-FT8?i=20&cc=1810731
1930 Pittsburgh Ward 10, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
Philip and family year of immigration (1910)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9TR-T776-L
1945 marriage Philip W Cox , widower parents William Cox & Ann Maria nee Gittins
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JY37-G2R
1967 death Philip Cox
edit - missed these off
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-81JP-VM?cc=1968530
Draft Registration 1917-1918 Phillip Wilfred Cox
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6GYQ-Y23?i=2559&cc=1861144
1942 Registration Card Philip Wilfred Cox
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I am going to leave this for a bit.
I am recovering from a heart attack and this isn't helping my blood pressure.
When I have the marriage for William I will post on here.
kd
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I am going to leave this for a bit.
I am recovering from a heart attack and this isn't helping my blood pressure.
When I have the marriage for William I will post on here.
Will wait until you post back with further details of William Cox's marriage certificate,
don't want your BP to rise any further, take care :)
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Just got back home. Woah! Lots of information to take in and will have a proper look tomorrow.
Take care and don't overdo yourself, kd
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Marriage for William
25 Dec 1863 St. Mary Oldswinford
William COX 21 B Grinder The Lye Father Edwin Cox Grinder
Maria GITTENS 21 S The Lye Father Daniel Gittens Engine Driver
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Ezra Harris X/ Maria Jones X
kd
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Marriage for William
25 Dec 1863 St. Mary Oldswinford
William COX 21 B Grinder The Lye Father Edwin Cox Grinder
Maria GITTENS 21 S The Lye Father Daniel Gittens Engine Driver
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Ezra Harris X/ Maria Jones X
Thank you for posting details of m/c - have brought forward the censuses for anyone else looking
1911 Ann Maria Cox with son Ernest & family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRK7-P69?i=391&cc=1727033
1910 census Pittsburgh Ward 10, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
William Cox labourer Married White Head 1854 immigration yr 1894
Phillips Cox puddler Married White Son 1884 immigration year 1894
Mary Cox 32 Married White Daughter-in-law 1878 England 1882
Edna M Cox 4 Single White Granddaughter 1906 Pennsylvania
John G Cox 3 Single White Grandson 1907 Pennsylvania
Elizabeth Cox 0 Single White Granddaughter 1910 Pennsylvania
1901 census?
William Cox 48 Cradley occ Anvil Gr?nder Tool
Ann Maria Cox 44
Earnest F Cox 23
Laura L Cox 15
William H Cox 15
Phillip W Cox 7
All others born Lye Worcestershire
1891 RG12; Piece: 2304; Folio: 109; Page: 2 – Bottle Lane
William Cox 39 Colley Gate occ Anvil Grinder
Ann Maria Cox 38
Ernest Frank Cox 13
Laura Louisa Cox 8
William Henry Cox 5
1881 Piece: 2888 Folio: 130 Page Number: 35
William Cox 29 Two Gates Cradley occ Cutter Grinder
Ann Marie Cox 28
Ernest Frank Cox 3
Edward Daniel Cox 1 Month
1871 RG10; Piece: 3023; Folio: 171; Page: 22
Edwin 51 gun barrell grinder
Ann Cox 47
Thomas Cox 22
William Cox 19
Sarah Cox 16
Simeon Cox 14
Emma Cox 11
Louisa Cox 9
Caleb Cox 6
Fanny Cox 1
Charles Edmonds visitor 30
1861 census Piece: 2064 Folio: 29 Page Number: 5
Two Gates Worcestershire
Edwin Cox 41 Gun barrel grinder
Ann Cox 37
Eliza Cox 15
Charles Cox 14
Thos Cox 12
Willm Cox 9 Cradley
Sarah Cox 6
Thos Cox 3
Emma Cox 1
1851 c Piece: 2034 Folio: 12 Page Number: 16
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Marriage for William
25 Dec 1863 St. Mary Oldswinford
William COX 21 B Grinder The Lye Father Edwin Cox Grinder
Maria GITTENS 21 S The Lye Father Daniel Gittens Engine Driver
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Ezra Harris X/ Maria Jones X
Thank you for posting details of m/c - have brought forward the censuses for anyone else looking
1911 Ann Maria Cox with son Ernest & family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRK7-P69?i=391&cc=1727033
1910 census Pittsburgh Ward 10, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
William Cox labourer Married White Head 1854 immigration yr 1894
Phillips Cox puddler Married White Son 1884 immigration year 1894
Mary Cox 32 Married White Daughter-in-law 1878 England 1882
Edna M Cox 4 Single White Granddaughter 1906 Pennsylvania
John G Cox 3 Single White Grandson 1907 Pennsylvania
Elizabeth Cox 0 Single White Granddaughter 1910 Pennsylvania
1901 census?
William Cox 48 Cradley occ Anvil Gr?nder Tool
Ann Maria Cox 44
Earnest F Cox 23
Laura L Cox 15
William H Cox 15
Phillip W Cox 7
All others born Lye Worcestershire
1891 RG12; Piece: 2304; Folio: 109; Page: 2 – Bottle Lane
William Cox 39 Colley Gate occ Anvil Grinder
Ann Maria Cox 38
Ernest Frank Cox 13
Laura Louisa Cox 8
William Henry Cox 5
1881 Piece: 2888 Folio: 130 Page Number: 35
William Cox 29 Two Gates Cradley occ Cutter Grinder
Ann Marie Cox 28
Ernest Frank Cox 3
Edward Daniel Cox 1 Month
1871 RG10; Piece: 3023; Folio: 171; Page: 22
Edwin 51 gun barrell grinder
Ann Cox 47
Thomas Cox 22
William Cox 19
Sarah Cox 16
Simeon Cox 14
Emma Cox 11
Louisa Cox 9
Caleb Cox 6
Fanny Cox 1
Charles Edmonds visitor 30
1861 census Piece: 2064 Folio: 29 Page Number: 5
Two Gates Worcestershire
Edwin Cox 41 Gun barrel grinder
Ann Cox 37
Eliza Cox 15
Charles Cox 14
Thos Cox 12
Willm Cox 9 Cradley
Sarah Cox 6
Thos Cox 3
Emma Cox 1
1851 c Piece: 2034 Folio: 12 Page Number: 16
Yes, confirming exactly the same as mine.
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That also confirms my research.
I have just found this
Name: Mrs Mary Cox
[Mrs Mary Dudley]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Age: 64
Birth Date: 22 Jun 1879
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 23 Mar 1944
Death Place: Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, USA
Father: Joseph Dudley
Mother: Elizabeth Lawrence
Spouse: Philip W Cox
Certificate Number: 31464
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Yes I have the marriage certificate for Philip Wilfred Cox and Mary Dudley
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Solomon is a mystery! :o He was on the two Census records along with his siblings under their parents: Edward Harris and Ann Cox but I cannot find his birth, his baptism or his death! ???
At present I have: -
Ann Cox born on 17 September 1814 to John and Sarah Cox of Cradley and baptised on 19 February 1815 who married Edward Harris (1813 - 1895) on 28 July 1833 at Dudley.
I found their children via census records:-
Mary Ann Baptised: 23 March 1834 - 1842
Louisa 1836 or 1838 - ?
Selina Baptised: 14 Oct 1838 - 1929 (Born 1838 Sept Quarter Volume 18 Page 140)
Simeon 1840 - ? (Born 1840 Sept Quarter Volume 18 Page 421)
Solomon 1846 or 1848 - ?
Caroline 1847 - ? (Born 1847 Dec Quarter Volume 18 Page 448)
Martha 1849 - 1849 (Born 1849 Sept Quarter Volume 18 Page 434)
James 1853 - ? (Born Sept Quarter Volume 06C Page 139)
Priscilla 1855 - ? (Born J Quarter 1855 Volume 06C Page 170)
Mira/Myra 1858 - 1942 (Born M Quarter 1858 Volume 06C Page 188)
Looking for records via GRO at the Family Tree Centre, have found more children born to Ann Cox and Edward Harris: -
Emma Matilda born 1841 Sept Quarter Volume 18 Page 431
Cornelius Harris born 1842 December Quarter Volume 18 Page 420
Baby (not named) born 1844 Sept Quarter Volume 18 Page 430
William Garnett born 1844 J Quarter Volume 18 Page 473
George born 1847 J Quarter Volume 18 Page 483
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Solomon is a mystery! :o
He was on the two Census records along with his siblings under their parents:
Edward Harris and Ann Cox but I cannot find his birth, his baptism or his death! ???
1861 census Solomon Harris age 13 Cradley occ horse nail maker
Could this be a possibility for him?
Solomon Farries [Harris] 1844 unmarried occ nailer
Relation: Patient
Where born: Chargeable to Stourbridge Union
Pauper Lunatic Asylum
1871c Piece: 3055 Folio: 112 Page Number: 10
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Solomon is a mystery! :o
He was on the two Census records along with his siblings under their parents:
Edward Harris and Ann Cox but I cannot find his birth, his baptism or his death! ???
1861 census Solomon Harris age 13 Cradley occ horse nail maker
Could this be a possibility for him?
Solomon Farries [Harris] 1844 unmarried occ nailer
Relation: Patient
Where born: Chargeable to Stourbridge Union
Pauper Lunatic Asylum
1871c Piece: 3055 Folio: 112 Page Number: 10
Thank you for that snippet. It's a possibility but unfortunately I cannot find a birth for Solomon unless one of the below children was renamed Solomon? Also there is a un-named baby born 1844 1844 Sept Quarter in Stourbridge Union Volume 18 Page 430 listed under the Gender: Female!
Boys that were born but not seen on the Census with their families:-
HARRIS, CORNELIUS COX
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 18 Page 420
HARRIS, WILLIAM GARNETT COX
GRO Reference: 1844 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 473
HARRIS, GEORGE COX
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 483
Girls that were born but not seen on the Censues with their families: -
HARRIS, EMMA MATILDA COX
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 431
HARRIS, COX
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 430
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Solomon is a mystery! :o
He was on the two Census records along with his siblings under their parents:
Edward Harris and Ann Cox but I cannot find his birth, his baptism or his death! ???
1861 census Solomon Harris age 13 Cradley occ horse nail maker
Could this be a possibility for him?
Solomon Farries [Harris] 1844 unmarried occ nailer
Relation: Patient
Where born: Chargeable to Stourbridge Union
Pauper Lunatic Asylum
1871c Piece: 3055 Folio: 112 Page Number: 10
I should have doubled checked the 1861 Census before replying to your query above as it turned out that it may not be the same person as Solomon is actually included on the 1861 Census with the rest of the family: -
Name Solomon Harris
Age 13
Estimated Birth Year 1848
Relation Son
Father's Name Edward Harris
Mother's Name Ann Harris
Gender Male
Where born Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish Cradley
Ecclesiastical parish Halesowen
County/Island Worcestershire
Country England
Registration district Stourbridge
Sub-registration district Halesowen
ED, institution, or vessel 10 Household schedule number 4 Piece 2064 Folio 3 Page number 1 Household Members
Name Age
Edward Harris
Ann Harris
Mary Ann Harris
Solomon Harris
Caroline Harris
James Harris
Priscilla Harris
Myra Harris
Edwin Harris (Illegitimate Grandson)
Just a thought as I may be speculating but wondering that it may possibly be a case of mistaken identity and also another reason why William Garnett Harris isn't included on the Census with his family - that he is actually the one in a Pauper Lunatic Asylum on the 1861 Census?
Name William Garnett Harris
Registration Year 1844
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration district Stourbridge
Parishes for this Registration District Stourbridge
Inferred County Worcestershire
Volume 18 Page 473
Also his death at age 25 years: -
Name William Garnet Harris
Estimated Birth Year abt 1844
Registration Year 1869
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death 25
Registration district Stourbridge
Parishes for this Registration District Stourbridge
Inferred County Worcestershire
Volume 6c
Page 127
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William Garnet Harris ?
1867 marriage HARRIS William G REYNOLDS Mary Oldswinford, St Mary
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Brook Street, Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England
John Reynolds Head-Male 57 1814-Shropshire, England
Sarah Reynolds Wife-Female 52 1819-Shropshire, England
Thomas Reynolds Son-Male 26 1845-Shropshire, England
James Reynolds Son-Male 21 1850-Shropshire, England
Sarah Reynolds Daughter-Female 19 1852-Shropshire, England
Henry Reynolds Son-Male 17 1854-Shropshire, England
Herbert Reynolds Son-Male 15 1856-Shropshire, England
William G Harris Grandson-Male 2 1869-Warwickshire, England
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Found the following for Solomon Harris: -
Name Solomon Harris
Census 1871 Powick, Worcestershire, England
Aged 27 unmarried
Occupation Nailer
Relationship to Head of Household Patient
Birth Year 1844 Stourbridge, Worcestershire
Entry Number 25 Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/3055/0227
Name Solomon Harris
Census 1891
County Worcestershire Parish Powick
Ecclesiastical Parish ST PETERS Upton On Severn
Aged 47 Marital Status Single
Occupation Nailer
Relationship to Head of Household Patient
Birth Year 1844 England
Page Number 7 Registration Number RG12 Piece/Folio 2332/ 127
Name Solomon Harris
Census 1911
Place Powicke, Powick, Worcestershire, England
sub-District Malvern Upton On Severn
Aged 67
Marital Status SINGLE
Occupation: MAILER
Born 1844
Relationship to Head of Household: Patient
Line 27 Page 5
Still looking for his birth/baptism...
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I've searched all variations and can find no Solomon Harris with mother Cox.
Just found this
http://theinfirmary.educationhost.co.uk/Patient.php?PatientNo=2208
1881 Census
Name: S . H .
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship to Head: Patient
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Powick
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street address: Worcester Pauper Lunatic Asylum
Occupation: Nailer
Registration district: Upton On Severn
1901 Census
Name: S H
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Powick
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Upton on Severn
Sub-registration district: Malvern
ED, institution, or vessel: County and City of Worcester Lunatic Asylum
Deaths Mar 1916
Harris Solomon 72 Upton 6c 194
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Found a 1903 Stourbridge marriage for Cornelius Harris and Anne Berrill
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=75&query=%2Bgivenname%3ACornelious~%20%2Bsurname%3AHarris~%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22Cradley%2C%20Worcestershire%2C%20England%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1842-1844~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AEdward~%20%2Bfather_surname%3AHarris~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AAnn~%20%2Bmother_surname%3ACox~
Need verifying to ensure he's the son of Edward and Ann Harris...? : -
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This is the marriage from Free BMD
1903
HARRIS Cornelious BERRILL Annie Blackheath, St Paul Dudley Register Office 012/004/41
I cant see any census for him, he would have been old when married.
There is an article in The Edinburgh Gazette August 19 1904
Bankrupts
Cornelius Harris, Compton Road, Cradley Heath in the County of Stafford, Chain and Anchor Manufacturer.
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Don't think we are allowed to post 1911 Census but have found Cornelius born 1866 and Ann
His WW1 record shows him married 1903
Back to searching
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Found a 1903 Stourbridge marriage for Cornelius Harris and Anne Berrill
Need verifying to ensure he's the son of Edward and Ann Harris...? : -
I think he's the son of Andrew & Sarah can be found on
1881 RG11; Piece: 2885; Folio: 18; Page: 30
Cornelius Harris bn 1866 Halesowen, occ Tube maker
Don't think we are allowed to post 1911 Census but have found Cornelius born 1866 and Ann
His WW1 record shows him married 1903
Back to searching
family search has this tree
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LRM5-32V
says Cornelius parents are Andrew & Sarah nee Stockton,
gives wife Annie's surname as Mucklow
mentions a Geoffrey Francis Berrill (Stepson on 1911c)
BERRILL, GEOFFREY FRANCIS mmn MUCKLOW
1899 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 163
looks as if Annie Mucklow married 1898 a John Berrill
1901c RG13; Piece: 2752; Folio: 71; Page: 24
Annie Berrill 24 'M' & Geoffrey age 1
here are the GRO indexes for the children on Army Record,
1903 marriage Annie Berrill is noted as a widow " "
HARRIS, MAJOR mmn BERRILL
1904 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 161
HARRIS, ENA mmn MUCKLOW
1906 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 138
HARRIS, HILDA ANNIE mmn BERRILL
1909 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 136
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Found a 1903 Stourbridge marriage for Cornelius Harris and Anne Berrill
Need verifying to ensure he's the son of Edward and Ann Harris...? : -
I think he's the son of Andrew & Sarah can be found on
1881 RG11; Piece: 2885; Folio: 18; Page: 30
Cornelius Harris bn 1866 Halesowen, occ Tube maker
family search has this tree
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LRM5-32V
says Cornelius parents are Andrew & Sarah nee Stockton,
gives wife Annie's surname as Mucklow
mentions a Geoffrey Francis Berrill (Stepson on 1911c)
Thanks and he's not our Cornelius Harris, son of Edward Harris and Ann nee Cox. Think I will leave this till next time I go to the Family Centre as I'm unable to search some articles, etc via Family Search here and concentrate on other members of the family.
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Dad vaguely remembers his Uncle Edwin visiting his mother, Sarah Adams nee Taylor at Barnsley Hall Hospital and think she died there after Philip Henry Adams passed away, in 1950s. Sarah ended up there as she had nowhere to live and couldn’t afford renting. Will look up her death in 1950s.
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Closest i can see is this
Name: Sarah Adams
Death Age: 79
Birth Date: abt 1875
Registration Date: Mar 1954
Registration district: Bromsgrove
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 9d
Page: 24
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Had computer problems earlier on as it crashed! Thank you and yes that is the only one I have come across on the Search the Gro Online Index but it only goes up to 1957. The birth year is wrong but that is the nearest plus Dad did say he remembered his Uncle Edwin visiting Bromsgrove to see his mother and that she must have passed away not long after his Grandad.
I will now order a death certificate for this Sarah Adams and hope that it will be the correct one.
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Here is Sarah Adams's Death certificate and it is the correct one! She was actually 81 years old when she died.
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That also confirms my research.
I have just found this
Name: Mrs Mary Cox
[Mrs Mary Dudley]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Age: 64
Birth Date: 22 Jun 1879
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 23 Mar 1944
Death Place: Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, USA
Father: Joseph Dudley
Mother: Elizabeth Lawrence
Spouse: Philip W Cox
Certificate Number: 31464
Mary Dudley Cox Obit - The Pittsburgh Press (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) - 24 March 1944, Fri - Page 37
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/22491957/mary_dudley_cox_obit/
Sandra
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Death Notice
Pittsburgh Post Gazette - (Pittsburgh Pennsylvania) 24 March 1944 - page 17
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26172146/m_polly_dudley_cox/
Sandra
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Death Notice
The Pittsburgh Press (Pittsburgh Pennsylvania) - 24 October 1967 - page 51
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26172219/phillip_w_cox/
Sandra
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Lawrence Phillip Cox (son of Phillip W Cox & Mary Dudley) 1911- 1979
FIND A GRAVE
burial - Rose Lawn Cemetery Marion, Smyth County, Virginia.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/66862053
Death cert
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVRH-TTH6
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9PB-M8S3?cc=2377565
Sandra
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John A Cox (son of Phillip Cox and Mary Dudley) - 1906 - 16 November 1953
FIND A GRAVE
Saint Marys of the Assumption Cemetery Glenshaw, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/184452029
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGK9-7KS5
1940 census - Carnegie Avenue Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQWH-BN8
Sandra
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Olivia Hertweck Cox wife of John (reply 153) 1910 - 1991
FIND A GRAVE
Saint Marys of the Assumption Cemetery Glenshaw, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/184439228
Sandra
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Edna Mae Cox Stein (daughter of John Cox and Olivia Hertweck) - 18 July 1936 - 26 April 2007
FIND A GRAVE
Christ Our Redeemer Catholic Cemetery Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.
PLOT Section: 18, Block: 13, Lot: 8
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144808162
Sandra
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U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 - James Lawrence Cox - 4 January 1933 - October 1983 -
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26173474/the_pittsburgh_press/
FIND A GRAVE
Saint Marys of the Assumption Cemetery Glenshaw, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26173474/the_pittsburgh_press/
Sandra