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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kincardineshire => Topic started by: lydiaann on Wednesday 06 December 17 17:01 GMT (UK)
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Elizabeth Craven, born 1837 in Fifeshire, had an illegitimate son, George, on 18 Dec, 1857, Lily Bank, Dundee. The child was registered as George Craven, as evidenced by "Scotland, Select Births & Baptisms" on our favourite site, and by a birth registration; no father was named. In 1861, Elizabeth and George were living in Banchory-Ternan with her brother, Thomas. She married Duncan William Davidson Moir on 26 Dec, 1863 in Banchory-Ternan. In 1871, they are living in St Andrew Fife, where she now has 3 children by her husband. On this census, George has the surname "Tuch" (registered on Anc. as "Tych" but the original is pretty clear). On all successive censuses, George reverts to the surname of Craven. Try as I may, I cannot understand the reason his surname changes...even allowing for bad hearing/writing, neither Craven nor Moir could turn into Tuch. I cannot find any Tuchs in the area either.
Any ideas on why this would happen?
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Did George marry and die as Craven? Did he name any father on his marriage cert?
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It could be the father's surname. The name "Tough" is pronounced "tooch", with the ch as in "loch".
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Carole W: The marriage reg. is really weird. He has father "George Craven (dec.) Gamekeeper" and mother "Elizabeth Craven, M.S. Moir". In fact, George (gamekeeper) was his grandfather (and my 3xGGF) and, at the time of the marriage, was still alive; and his mother's M.S. (i.e., in keeping with all other reg's., her MAIDEN surname) was Craven and she was married to Duncan Moir at the time of George's marriage. I wonder why he lied so brazenly on the certificate? It wouldn't be to protect the Craven family as, by this time, Elizabeth's sister Euphemia had had 2 illegitimate children and they were all living happily with George Sr. and his wife, Euphemia Imray.
GR2: I'd never heard that surname...I shall start again looking for "Tough"! Thank you for that.
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Could be spelled Tuach!
Skoosh.
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There are 4 families of Tough in B-T in 1861, but only one with a son of comparable age to Elizabeth. The others are older and married - not that that necessarily precludes them! There are no families of Tuach in the area. I guess I'm just going to have to leave this one...I have the family history so it was really an enquiry for interest's sake. However, thanks to the 3 of you for looking/commenting!
Stay warm :)
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In fact, George (gamekeeper) was his grandfather (and my 3xGGF) and, at the time of the marriage, was still alive
It is not uncommon for illegitimate children to name their maternal grandfather as their father on a marriage certificate!!
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It is quite likely that the kirk session minutes for the parish of birth contains the father's name.
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In fact, George (gamekeeper) was his grandfather (and my 3xGGF) and, at the time of the marriage, was still alive
It is not uncommon for illegitimate children to name their maternal grandfather as their father on a marriage certificate!!
I agree, I have an example of this in my own tree. Resulted in a bit of confusion for a time.