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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: Glynm on Friday 08 December 17 20:13 GMT (UK)
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I would be grateful for any help in dating these two photographs of my 3xGreat Grandmother, Catherine Owen. As a guide she lived from 1794 to 1877.
Glyn
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My guess is that these are not the same person . . . the smaller photo would appear to date from an earlier time but the woman looks older . . . to me. And I would guess she could be Catherine Owen. the hair style with hair down over her ears looks more like 1860s to me. Also the bonnet and 'cape/shawl' look older than the large photo. - could be wrong! ;)
The larger photo looks more 'modern' and younger, and her hair line is very different from the other photo. Her head gear and costume look more '70s than the small photo. My guess is that it is taken in the 1870s - and I don't think the woman looks in her 70s as she would be if born in 1794.
p.s. if you go back to your original post and add Dating to the title, you will attract the dating experts. :)
Wiggy :)
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Thanks Wiggy I have taken your advice.
Glyn
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Do you think they might be mother and daughter - or daughter in law maybe?
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I agree with Wiggy's comments about being a different woman. The smallest photo could be 1850s....it looks like a tinted daguerreotype.
Carol
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I think this side by side comparison shows up what Wiggy and Carol are saying, the starkest difference I think being the forehead heights.
If you have the original photos it would help the dating experts a lot if you could post images of the whole photos (showing the edges), front and back.
Peter.
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Wiggy, the sleeves in the larger photo bother me. Could the two pictures be as much as thirty years apart, around 1890 and 1860?
Peter
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I noticed them - some late 1870s sleeves are reasonably full - I am not good enough at this to be sure. I don't think so . :-\ . . been known to be wrong . . often!! ;)
We need Jim. Come in Jim!! ;)
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The woman with the children would be circa 1895 - hair, hat, sleeves and bolero type jacket, with separate skirt and top.
The smaller photo is typical of late 1850s.
To quote from Jayne Shrimpton:
Her smooth, centrally parted hairstyle, draped low over the ears, was fashionable from around the mid-1850s through to the early 1860s, but the round open style of her bonnet, fastening under the chin with a broad silk ribbon tied ina large bow, narrows the date to the late 1850s or 1860.
Obviously not the same woman, given these dates. Facial differences too - low forehead in the older lady for example.
Gadget
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It seems the question's been answered. 1st. 1850's/60's. 2nd. 1890's.
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Thank goodness for Gadget and Jim - I was way out ::)
. . . .except for them being different women! ;)
Wiggy
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Thank you folks for your views which make total sense to me. I do not have the originals, these were scans sent to me by my cousin. I will get back to him and ask if there is any more details on the photos.
On the basis that Gadget is correct in the dates (which I have no reason to doubt) I am guessing that the circa 1860 photo is Catherine Owen while the 1895 one could be her daughter Mary Prichard nee Owens (1826 – 1896). I attach another photo of Mary’s daughter, also called Mary, and her husband Captain William Jones. Any chance of a rough date on this photo?
My avatar is a photo of Ellis Owen Cefnymeusydd (1789-1868) who was Catherine's brother any chance of a date on this?
Many thanks again
Glyn
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This one's Edwardian, 1903-8ish.
Your avatar is 1860's.
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I gave it a bit of a clean for you...hope you don't mind.
Carol
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Thank you Carol that is great. Is there anything that can be done with this one. He is a Great Grandfather of mine Robert Evans (1838-1915) a cattle dealer from Caernarfonshire wearing a hat that Welsh Drovers wore and sitting, I think, on a pony and trap.
Kind regards
Glyn
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It's better to start with a new post for this one Glyn and ask for it to be restored. As you have only requested a date in the title of this one, the restorers may not pick it up ;)
Carol
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Will do Carol.
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This one's Edwardian, 1903-8ish.
Your avatar is 1860's.
Well spotted Jim :D
Carol
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Hiya gang...well, having been summoned by Wiggy, I have reported for duty ;D
Also the photos have been dated perfectly, late 1850s/early 1860s on the first one and latish 1890s on the second. I think they are the same woman.
Very nice the earlier photo. Lovely to have such an heirloom.
Cheers,
China
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Hello China
Where've you been?
I think Wiggy did a round robin to us all :)
I thought the last one was interesting - was the lady on the ship with her husband ?
Gadget
PS - not same woman as first one died in 1877
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Ah missed that. Daughter perhaps.
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Hiya gang...well, having been summoned by Wiggy, I have reported for duty ;D
Also the photos have been dated perfectly, late 1850s/early 1860s on the first one and latish 1890s on the second. I think they are the same woman.
Very nice the earlier photo. Lovely to have such an heirloom.
Cheers,
China
How else was I to get you back here doing your stuff! ;D It's been ages!
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I thought I would reply while my wife is watching Strictly Come Dancing. ;D I feel very privileged for a call to go out to help me. The photograph of Captain William & Mary Jones was taken on board ship but unfortunately I have only researched his career up to 1886 and his last ship in 1910 on which he tragically died.
Some more photos which might be of interest although I do know the dates. The first is my maternal Grandparents wedding in 1906. and the second is my Grandmothers youngest brother Stanley who was sent to the merchant navy training ship Indefatigable in Birkenhead date about 1912.
Going back to the 1860's Catherine Owen photo this appears to be more professional and I have been wondering if it was taken by the same photographer who took Ellis Owen. Since Ellis was notable in his area at the time I am guessing that the photographer might be John Thomas who started off selling carte des visites of Welsh Celebrities as well as the local people and views. Some of his work can be found on flickr. www.flickr.com/photos/llgc/sets/72157620956653219/
Glyn
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I'd forgotten that the National Library (LlGC) had put the photo collection on Flickr and have just had a lovely time going through some of the collection * - looking for some of my ancestors but not found any so far.
Thanks for reminding me of them, Glyn :)
* full collection listing/link: https://www.flickr.com/photos/llgc/albums/
Gadget
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Glyn - - I thought I'd seen some small photos in my time, but your photo of the wedding day 'takes the cake' - ;D ;D 3.99kbs!!
What part of Caernarfonshire are you/these photos from?
(I'm not Welsh - but was asked by a friend to look up a Thomas Thomas once when we were travelling overseas. :o :o :o :o ;D ;D) Just love your list of surname interests!! :) Easy peasy - not!!