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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: maggie.mae on Sunday 10 December 17 12:51 GMT (UK)
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Hello everyone.
You helped me find Thomas Blake Birth 20th November 1919 Mitcham Surrey. I sent for his birth cert to find his parents which state as above but the only marriage I can find is " George William Blake/Maria Mary Howes married 1930.)
Can anyone find another one please?
Thanks
Maggie
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It would appear by searching the GRO index that this couple were having children prior to 1911 census
BLAKE, GRACE VIOLET mmn HOWES
1910 Sept Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 362
This looks like the family in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW8R-Z2N
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There is a Blake/Howes marriage in Croydon in 1888 however it's not Maria Mary
George William Blake/Eliza Amelia Howes Dec 1888 Croydon 2a 410
Emeltom
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That census entry would make her quite old when she gave birth to Thomas ::)
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Maria Mary Howes Dec 1874 Wandsworth 1d 600 mmn Chance
Eliza Amelia Howes Dec 1869 Westminster 1a 422 mmn Chance
Death
Eliza Amelia Blake Mar 1896 Croydon 2a 186 age 26
Looks like William George married Eliza then took up with Maria after Eliza died. When did the law start to allow a man to marry his dead wife's sister. I know it was illegal at one time.
I would think the 1930 marriage is the correct one. They appear in the 1939 Register yob as 1868 for George William and 1874 for Maria.
Emeltom
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......but the birth cert of Thomas 20th Nov 1919 gives his father William George Blake mother Maria Mary Howes. 1911 census has Maria as his wife. so the 1930 marriage can't be right.
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......but the birth cert of Thomas 20th Nov 1919 gives his father William George Blake mother Maria Mary Howes. 1911 census has Maria as his wife. so the 1930 marriage can't be right.
It could be right, if (despite holding themselves as married) they didn't actually marry until later on.
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Looks like William George married Eliza then took up with Maria after Eliza died. When did the law start to allow a man to marry his dead wife's sister. I know it was illegal at one time.
Wiki says 1907 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deceased_Wife%27s_Sister%27s_Marriage_Act_1907
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That's what I thought, Avm,He couldn't marry Maria because it was illegal...makes sense.
Thanks,everyone, for all your help.
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It did not stop some people though they just married away from the area they were living in :)
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This is very true and they didn't always go out of the area. My gt gt grandfather married his sister in law in 1874. They married in the local church and had both been widowed so perhaps no one knew she was his sister in law. Or maybe they just didn't know it was illegal.
Emeltom
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There is a Blake/Howes marriage in Croydon in 1888 however it's not Maria Mary
George William Blake/Eliza Amelia Howes Dec 1888 Croydon 2a 410
for info. here's the details of the above marriage
28 Oct 1888 Mitcham, St Peter and St Paul, Surrey
George William Blake age 19, Lab. 3 Church Road father Joseph lab.
Eliza Amelia Howes age 19,14 Church Road, father Frederick, painter
George made his mark (x) Eliza signed her name
Witnessed by James Blake (x) & Jessie Clark (x)
and Eliza's and Maria's baptisms
Eliza Amelia Howes Baptism 3 Jul 1870 St Mary, Lambeth
Father: Frederick George Howes occ house painter Mother: Eliza
Maria Mary Howes Baptism 22 Nov 1874 St Mary, Lambeth
Father: Frederic George Howes occ house painter Mother : Eliza
Edited
Maria Mary Howes Dec 1874 Wandsworth 1d 600 mmn Chance
Eliza Amelia Howes Dec 1869 Westminster 1a 422 mmn Chance
18 Sep 1865 Parish Chapel, St Pancras, Camden
Frederick George Howes f/a , grainer, Chalton St father John , painter
Eliza Chance f/a, smith St., father John (dead)
Both single both signed their names
Witnessed by John Howes & Phoebe Head