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Title: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Monday 11 December 17 13:09 GMT (UK)
I am trying to find out if these chapels are one and the same ?
Regards
MLR

Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 11 December 17 13:52 GMT (UK)
From GenUKI:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/church_list/GLAMerthyrTydfil

Zoar Welsh Independent Chapel was at High Street, Pontmorlais, Merthyr Tydfil
Ynysgau Independent Chapel was in Victoria Street, Glebeland, Merthyr Tydfil

There are links on that page to the churches.
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Monday 11 December 17 14:11 GMT (UK)
Thanks K

I have been unable to get an old image of  the outside of Zoar. So if you also know if one I would be grateful.
Regards
MLR
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: Romilly on Monday 11 December 17 15:29 GMT (UK)

I think this might be it?

Romilly
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Monday 11 December 17 17:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Romilly.
Yes I have that image and the inscription at the fascia of the building  reads Ynysgau.
That is what is what my question  is all about. It does not say Soar or Zoar.
I believe I read that there was division in the congregation and that one chapel begat the other. My question  is is this what is known as Zoar or is there  another chapel ?
Help
Mlr
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 11 December 17 17:15 GMT (UK)
I don't know if this article will be of any help

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/end-era-zoar-chapel-2125912

snippets from article.........
The doors will finally close at a Merthyr Tydfil chapel to bring to an end its 215 year history.

The congregation of Zoar Welsh Independent Congregational Chapel, which had its beginnings in a pub in the 18th century..........

Formerly listed a Grade 11 building as Capel Annibynwyr Soar-Ynysgau............
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: John915 on Monday 11 December 17 18:32 GMT (UK)
Good evening,

These were two seperate chapels, one in bridge st and one in the high st as KG said in reply 1.

The Ynysgau chapel in bridge st was demolished in 1966.

The Zoar chapel in the high st is still there, it is a listed building.

If you look at the site " churches of England and Ireland". Go to Methyr Tydfil and scroll down to Zoar chapel you will see a picture of it. Although on the high st it is up a gated alley so can't be seen very well on st view.

When I can get on the laptop later I will put up some links of both chapels. There are pictures of both available online.

John915

Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Monday 11 December 17 19:05 GMT (UK)
Thank you John,
It is much appreciated
Regards
MLR
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 11 December 17 20:11 GMT (UK)
Did you follow the links on the GenUKI site I mentioned?

They will take you to:
http://www.coflein.gov.uk/en/site/9874/details/zoar-welsh-independent-chapelcapel-yr-annibynwyr-soar-ynysgau-high-street-pontmorlais
and
http://www.coflein.gov.uk/en/site/9873/details/ynysgau-independent-chapel-victoria-street-glebeland-merthyr-tudful

There are map references there, as well as Grid references, and links to photos.
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Monday 11 December 17 20:44 GMT (UK)
Hi K.
Yes thanks and got some maps ..
But  starting with everyone's help to put it all together.
Also
Out of curiosity  the Crocker  from Somerset research ..... is this the Jane Seymour   old chestnut that so many believe in ?
Regards
Mlr
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 11 December 17 21:11 GMT (UK)
My paternal grandmother was a Crocker,
I have the line back to Joseph Crocker (b1759), and his father William Crocker (dates not known).

No Seymours in my tree at all?
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Monday 11 December 17 21:19 GMT (UK)
The urban myth Somerset Crocker  equals Jane Seymour lineage.
She was related to  Crocker line . But ...  There is American wishful thinking in that most American Crockers believe they are related to her.
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 11 December 17 21:43 GMT (UK)
Ah! Never heard that before?
But then I don't believe in wishful thinking - only documentary evidence ;D ;D
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Monday 11 December 17 21:48 GMT (UK)
Well done
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Monday 11 December 17 21:52 GMT (UK)
The evidence is convincing enough. Two American  academics  wrote a book in about  1895 to dispel it.
But it has hung on like Area 51.
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: John915 on Monday 11 December 17 23:24 GMT (UK)
Good evening,

Here at last are the links as promised;

http://www.alangeorge.co.uk/ynysgauchapel.htm
http://www.alangeorge.co.uk/SoarChapel.htm
http://www.churches-uk-ireland.org/images/merthyr/merthyr/soar.jpg

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l5x/  Not sure if this one works, you may need to scan round behind you.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l5y/   The chapel as it is now, the Soar theatre.

John915

Added; 4th link not working properly. Zoom in on high st, you will see Soar theatre and slimming world. theatre is actually where it says slimming world. opposite on map is a blue mark, put your little man on that and see the outside as it is now.


Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Tuesday 12 December 17 09:39 GMT (UK)
Hi John 915.

Thank you for all your help it is very much appreciated and will make a valued contribution to my research into William Humphrey and his father and grandfather all Williams and deacons of Soar.
Regards
Mike
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 12 December 17 09:56 GMT (UK)
Is that the William Humphrey appointed deacon by Samuel Evans in 1818?
(Y Tyst, 28 Dec 1894)
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Tuesday 12 December 17 10:58 GMT (UK)
That's the grandfather of the one I am researching.I have all The Tyst  entries for the family. Plus all other entries on the NLW Welsh newspapers online for him......which was lots.
Thanks anyway and if there are any other sources you are aware of I would welcome any assistance you could offer.
Kind Regards
MLR
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 12 December 17 15:31 GMT (UK)
As you say, there is quite a bit available on line at Welshnewspapers online.

Have you checked Welsh Journals on line? Just had a peep but the format has changed (I  need to familiarise myself with new navigation process!)
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: BaileyBoo on Tuesday 19 December 17 10:48 GMT (UK)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canolfan_Soar
This is Zoar Chapel
Title: Re: Zoar and Ynysgau Chapels Merthyr Tydfil
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Tuesday 19 December 17 13:26 GMT (UK)
Many thanks  for the help.It is very much appreciated.