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Title: Mary Thomas Married Joseph Binns in Tong October 1831
Post by: mcp1855 on Wednesday 13 December 17 17:00 GMT (UK)
I am trying to find more information on the parents of Mary Thomas and Joseph Binns who martied in Tong during October 1831. Would the marriage register show this information. Both Ancestry and Findmypast have records of the marriage but no fathers are shown.

Any help greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Mary Thomas Married Joseph Binns in Tong October 1831
Post by: arthurk on Wednesday 13 December 17 17:28 GMT (UK)
Ancestry has the image of the parish register (also the banns register, though this is less informative), and FindMyPast has the image of the bishop's transcript.

So if you've seen those, that's all there is to see. As you've found, none of these names the parents, which is to be expected given the format of an 1831 marriage register, though there's sometimes a clue in the names of the witnesses.

Tong is one of those rare places where some pre-1841 census returns have survived - in this case for 1801, 1811 and 1821. These name just the householders and give the number of people in the household. I think the originals are at Bradford Archives, but I don't know whether they're also available online or in print anywhere.
Title: Re: Mary Thomas Married Joseph Binns in Tong October 1831
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 13 December 17 17:29 GMT (UK)
Marriages at this time would not show fathers. That didn't happen until 1st July 1837. One of the witnesses might be related. If you can find them on a census you would get approx year of birth
Title: Re: Mary Thomas Married Joseph Binns in Tong October 1831
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 13 December 17 17:34 GMT (UK)
On 1851 Joseph Binns occ Mechanic (same as marriage record b abt 1808 Cleckheaton, wife Mary b abt 1811 Halifax
Title: Re: Mary Thomas Married Joseph Binns in Tong October 1831
Post by: mcp1855 on Wednesday 13 December 17 17:41 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the answers. I now know not to expect fathers names on marriages pre 1837...
Title: Re: Mary Thomas Married Joseph Binns in Tong October 1831
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 13 December 17 18:00 GMT (UK)
There is entry on probate index for Joseph died 1868. From GRO index he was 59 when he died. As he died in Q1 he mall not have had his birthday in the year of death, that makes year of birth 1808 / 9 which agrees with 1851 and 1861 censuses.
Title: Re: Mary Thomas Married Joseph Binns in Tong October 1831
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 13 December 17 18:08 GMT (UK)
In the Yorkshire, England, Extracted Church of England Parish Records on Ancestry there is a transcription of baptism for Joseph son of Samuel Binns of High-moor Carrier on 27 Mar 1808 but says Hartshead not Cleckheaton. Joseph does have a son called Samuel, I think he was the oldest.   

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Hartshead only about 2.5 miles from Cleckheaton, so could still be a possibility

Title: Re: Mary Thomas Married Joseph Binns in Tong October 1831
Post by: mcp1855 on Wednesday 13 December 17 18:38 GMT (UK)
 LizzieL
Many thanks for the replies. I have done a lot of research on Mary and Joseph  and have already looked at a lot of records. I posted as I am specifically trying to find anything on their parents; especially Mary as there are a few possibilities. Its a fairly new area for me trying to go before 1837 for births.
Title: Re: Mary Thomas Married Joseph Binns in Tong October 1831
Post by: Calverley Lad on Thursday 14 December 17 07:07 GMT (UK)
Currently this the only information I can find from the records at Tong.
1831 10 23    Joseph    BINNS         Mechanic                   George Carter    By Banns
                  Mary    THOMAS         S                        James Binns    
 http://www.tong.calverley.info/cr_menu.html
 Brian
Source    Tong St James Parish Church
Date    1831 10 23
Groom's First Name    Joseph
Groom's Last Name    BINNS
Bride's First Name    Mary
Bride's Last Name    THOMAS
Groom's Occupation    Mechanic
Bride's Status    Spinster
Reference    808
Witness    George Carter; James Binns
Notes    By Banns
Title: Re: Mary Thomas Married Joseph Binns in Tong October 1831
Post by: mcp1855 on Thursday 14 December 17 08:30 GMT (UK)
Many thanks
Title: Re: Mary Thomas Married Joseph Binns in Tong October 1831
Post by: sallyyorks on Friday 15 December 17 23:23 GMT (UK)
In the Yorkshire, England, Extracted Church of England Parish Records on Ancestry there is a transcription of baptism for Joseph son of Samuel Binns of High-moor Carrier on 27 Mar 1808 but says Hartshead not Cleckheaton. Joseph does have a son called Samuel, I think he was the oldest.   

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Hartshead only about 2.5 miles from Cleckheaton, so could still be a possibility

Yes at these dates the two main churches in the area for a baptism for someone born in Cleckheaton would probably be either Hartshead or Birstall. Both churches are called St Peters.

The area had a high number of nonconformists as well, so there would have been a number of Independent chapels

'of High-Moor' could mean Hartshead Moor.
Title: Re: Mary Thomas Married Joseph Binns in Tong October 1831
Post by: dobfarm on Saturday 16 December 17 04:52 GMT (UK)
On 1851 Joseph Binns occ Mechanic (same as marriage record b abt 1808 Cleckheaton, wife Mary b abt 1811 Halifax


The above entry 1851c Joseph Binns born Cleckheaton 1808 is the correct Joseph and Mary Thomas

Joseph's son Reuben Binns aged 8 born Shibden (Halifax)

GRO births has


 REUBEN       BINNS,   Mother's Maiden Surname : THOMAS   

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Title: Re: Mary Thomas Married Joseph Binns in Tong October 1831
Post by: dobfarm on Saturday 16 December 17 05:13 GMT (UK)
In the Yorkshire, England, Extracted Church of England Parish Records on Ancestry there is a transcription of baptism for Joseph son of Samuel Binns of High-moor Carrier on 27 Mar 1808 but says Hartshead not Cleckheaton. Joseph does have a son called Samuel, I think he was the oldest.   

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Hartshead only about 2.5 miles from Cleckheaton, so could still be a possibility

High-moor lane is off the Halifax road (going to Wakefield) above Checkheaton at Hartshead moorside

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Highmoor+Ln,+Cleckheaton+BD19+6LW/@53.7202964,-1.7297932,15.68z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x487bde1b255c93c3:0x9fbb9eaba3c1f0fd!8m2!3d53.7167296!4d-1.7426554

1851 c -says

Joseph Binns   
Census   
1851   
 Place   Yorkshire (West Riding), England   
 Registration District     Bradford   
 Residence Note     Halifax And Wakefield Road   
 Gender     Male   
 Age     43   
 Marital Status     Married   
 Occupation     Mechanic 

( 2 in household list)

Mary Binns   Wife Female age  40 birth place Halifax, Yorkshire

Reuben Binns   Son- Male  age 8 birth place Shibden, Yorkshire  (GRO says Ruben's mother maiden surname Thomas)
Title: Re: Mary Thomas Married Joseph Binns in Tong October 1831
Post by: mcp1855 on Saturday 16 December 17 09:45 GMT (UK)
Thanks again to everyone, I'll be closing this subject now