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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: king ranger on Thursday 14 December 17 19:06 GMT (UK)
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Hi can anyone please help with the above Argyll's all killed in Action. We now know they are all on the new Camelon Falkirk War Memorial. We have found that John And George were the sons of Alex and Margaret Risk from Camelon,but can find nothing on Robert to confirm if he was a third son or maybe an uncle of George and John. Robert was 1st Batt ASH and was killed 9th April 1917. number 303220.Thanks in advance for any help.
Colin.
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Hi Colin,
No parents mentioned for him on either the CWGC or Scottish National War Memorial.
However, there is a tree on Ancestry which gives his birth year as 1887 and his parents as Robert Risk and Mary Liddle. Also, he was married to a Janet Bryce Laird (1893 to 1966) and they had a child Helen born in 1911 died in 1989. Helen married and appears to have a living child.
Hope this helps and let me know if I can help further.
Dorrie
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Oh Dorrie that was very quick, i can only thank you so much. My friend will be delighted when i show him this, there are only one or two Risks left alive and they could not confirm if they were brothers or not. We did wonder why the Cwgc Site and the Scottish War Memorial did not mention the fact,but now thanks to yourself we know they were not. Thanks again.
Colin.
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Robert's entry in the Soldiers' Effects register would seem to confirm the info passed on by Dowdstree - it names his sole legatee as his widow Janet.
MaxD
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My pleasure Colin.
Would I be correct in that John was killed on 17/9/1916 and George on 18/5/1916 and that there were a few siblings including a sister Christina married name Towers. If so there are some Service records for them.
Let me know if I can help with these.
Dorrie
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Yes Dorrie that is the correct dates of death. I passed this on to my mate and right away he said oh i remember Helen but she was called Ellen for some reason.Thanks Max D.Any help would be great Dorrie . Thanks to you both.
Colin.
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My mates wife said they were told all three on the War Memorial were relations to my mate. So it looks to me they must have been cousins.
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That is great that you have been able to confirm that the 3 boys were indeed related in some way.
Perhaps it could go back a couple of generations through their fathers. Further research would be needed to confirm this. Have you ever used Scotlands People for births etc ?
Dorrie
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Hi can anyone please help with the above Argyll's all killed in Action. We now know they are all on the new Camelon Falkirk War Memorial.
If they are on a new memorial someone must surely know their stories - I'd contact those responsible for thee new memorial.
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Falkirk Herald, 13 April 1918
The "In Memoriam" column has 3 tributes to Robert Risk, A & SH, killed in action Arras 9 Apr 1917, age 30. They identify
a. a brother Alex, A & SH, fell at Loos 25 Sep 1915, age 20
b. widow Janet Laird and child 150 Orchard Street, Camelon
c. parents address 99 Knox Terrace, Camelon
d. a brother Willie
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Hi thanks for your reply, so Robert had a brother called Alex killed in Sept 1915, he is not on Memorial so must have lived outside Camelon.Thanks again.
Colin.
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Alex gave his next of kin's (parents) address on his attestation form as 99 Knox Terrace Camelon.
MaxD
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Thanks MaxD ,so we have two pairs of Risk brothers from Camelon and all four killed.The Camelon war Memorial has no names on it and it was only 5 years ago a Roll of Honour was made up for Falkirk, i will go check and see if Alex Risk is on it.Thanks for your help folks.
Colin.
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No Alex Risk on Falkirk Roll of Honour so he would not be on Memorial.
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On the entry in the Roll Of Honour at Scottish National War Memorial, Edinburgh Castle, Alexander Risk's place of birth is given as Stirling. Perhaps this is why he is not on the Camelon War Memorial.
Dorrie
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That will be why Dorrie, to get on to Falkirk Roll of honour you had to be born in Falkirk area, or living there at time of death. So where ever Alex was staying when killed it was not in Falkirk area.Thanks for that.
Colin.
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Hi can i thank all of you who have taken the time to help me with finding a bit of history about the three Risks Boys.It turns out there is a fourth called Alex Risk who although shown on Army records as being born in Stirling is on the Memorial Tablet in Camelon Church so he must have lived with his parents at some stage in Camelon. So there are two pairs of Risks Brothers and all four wee killed in action. Thanks to your help i can now pass on this information to the Risk family who remain today. Please all have a great Festive Season, and thanks again.
Colin.
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hi my name is Helen Laird Risk Robertson youngest granddaughter of Robert Risk killed Flanders France 9th April 1917. his younger brother Alex was killed Flanders France 1915 there was another older brother William. sorry can not help with other two names. my granddad was married Janet laird they had only one daughter my mother Helen .His father was Robert Risk his mother was Mary Liddle
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Hi Helen , thanks for reply. Thanks to Dorrie who did a lot of research we managed to find out which Risks were related, as you say Robert and Alex were and John and George were also brothers .We could find no link between the 2 Risk families to say they were related.All 4 Risks are infact on the New Camelon War Memorial,but Alex was not on The Falkirk Roll of Honour that covered the War Memorial on Camelon Road . Councillor Pat Reid is setting up a fund to have the Camelon Road memorial changed and when done Alex will be remembered with all the Fallen Men.
Colin.
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Hi Helen a warm welcome to Rootschat.
I see that Colin has already replied to you regarding your grandfather Robert Risk and his brother Alexander. The other brother you mentioned was William. He served in the Gordon Highlanders and luckily survived WW1.
If you are interested I have other information collected whilst Colin and I were researching which may be of interest to you. If you make another couple of posts on here I can then send you a PM.
Dorrie
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I have links to the Risk brothers, George and John through my grandfather. Both brothers had lived with their sister Christina following their parents deaths prior to the war. Christina’s husband served alongside the brothers and survived the war. Would be great to find the link between the two sets of brothers.
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Hi KT1841. Our research did not find a link between the two sets of brothers.
However, I can send you a PM if you are interested in the records we found on the brothers.
Just let me know and I will be in touch.
Dorrie
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Hi Dorrie
Any info you have would be gratefully appreciated, many thanks. :)
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I have now sent you a PM
Dorrie
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If i can help in anyway just message me Dorrie, hope you are both well.
Colin.