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Title: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: Joy Dean on Saturday 16 December 17 22:04 GMT (UK)
Has anyone ordered a document from the National Archives?

I have looked in http://www.nationalarchives.ie/services/service-for-our-visitors/obtain-copies-of-archives/ to find out how to do it, but am uncertain about the cost and whether it would be better to ask a professional researcher in Dublin to obtain it rather than order it myself.

The document I am interested in is
Private William McAlarney, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers: desertion (TSCH/3/S3289)
Sep 1923-Nov 1923, file
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 16 December 17 22:59 GMT (UK)
Yes.
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 16 December 17 23:04 GMT (UK)
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Summary-of-fees.pdf  for cost.
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 16 December 17 23:07 GMT (UK)
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/visit-us/contact-us/  to contact them and ask about cost.

Digital images are cheapest with no postal cost involved.
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: chinapaddy on Sunday 17 December 17 00:18 GMT (UK)
Have you tried looking in the Military Archives website?

http://www.militaryarchives.ie/en/genealogy

 Military Archives,
Cathal Brugha Bks,
Rathmines,
Dublin 6.

00353-1-8046457
militaryarchives[AT]defenceforces.ie (Replace [AT] with @)
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: Joy Dean on Sunday 17 December 17 09:01 GMT (UK)
Thank you. I shall contact them to ask about the cost.

Yes, I had looked in the Military Archives website but couldn't find him there; I may contact them, too, about him.
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 17 December 17 10:07 GMT (UK)
Aren't the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers a British Army regiment? Surprising enough to see him in the National Archives of Ireland, but why would the Irish Army have anything on him?
What am I missing here....
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: Maggsie on Monday 18 December 17 11:35 GMT (UK)
as far as I know the last British Army base to vacate Ireland when it was the Free State was in 1938.
Maggsie
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: chinapaddy on Monday 18 December 17 12:43 GMT (UK)
as far as I know the last British Army base to vacate Ireland when it was the Free State was in 1938.
Maggsie
From the Militaryarchives.ie " Once the Truce had been signed, the first barracks to be evacuated was at Clogheen, on 25th January, 1922.  The last military post to be handed over to the Irish Free State (excluding the treaty ports in 1939) was the Royal (now Collins) Barracks in Dublin, on 17th December, 1922."
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: Joy Dean on Monday 18 December 17 14:17 GMT (UK)
Aren't the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers a British Army regiment? Surprising enough to see him in the National Archives of Ireland, but why would the Irish Army have anything on him?
What am I missing here....

http://www.inniskillingsmuseum.com/history-of-the-inniskilling-fusiliers/
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: Sinann on Monday 18 December 17 15:27 GMT (UK)
Aren't the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers a British Army regiment? Surprising enough to see him in the National Archives of Ireland, but why would the Irish Army have anything on him?
What am I missing here....

http://www.inniskillingsmuseum.com/history-of-the-inniskilling-fusiliers/


British Army so unless the Irish Army was arresting deserters on behalf of the British Army there is no reason the Irish Army would have records of British Army soldiers.
The Civil  Authorities may have arrested him, as the Irish Free State still swore allegiance to the Crown, which could explain why he has a record in the Irish National Archives, or perhaps he applied for some sort of protection from the Free State.
I guess we can't be sure until you get the record from the archives and hear back from the Military Archives if you contact them.
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: Joy Dean on Monday 18 December 17 19:12 GMT (UK)
He may be the same person that served in WW1:
(from ancestry)
Private William McAlarney, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers:
Name:   William McAlarney
Military Year:   1914-1920
Rank:   Private
Medal Awarded:   British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps:   Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
Regimental Number:   28920
Previous Units:   28920 Pte 6 R. Innis. Fus, 6, 6
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: Maggsie on Tuesday 19 December 17 09:20 GMT (UK)
Yes I know that I have been to there.
Maggsie
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: chinapaddy on Tuesday 19 December 17 14:44 GMT (UK)
would he be the same William McAlarney that went Boston in 1923?

(findmypast)

First name(s)    Wm
Last name    McAlarney
Sex    Male Age    25
Birth year    1898
Origin country    England
Departure year    1923
Ship departure port    Liverpool
Departure country    England
Destination port    Liverpool
Destination country    United States
Arrival port    BOSTON
State    Massachusetts
Source dataset    Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=784239.0;last_msg=6392060
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: Joy Dean on Tuesday 19 December 17 16:55 GMT (UK)
would he be the same William McAlarney that went Boston in 1923?

(findmypast)

First name(s)    Wm
Last name    McAlarney
Sex    Male Age    25
Birth year    1898
Origin country    England
Departure year    1923
Ship departure port    Liverpool
Departure country    England
Destination port    Liverpool
Destination country    United States
Arrival port    BOSTON
State    Massachusetts
Source dataset    Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=784239.0;last_msg=6392060

Thank you. I had wondered about that, but his details are crossed right through so had surmised that he did not go after all.
Title: Re: Ordering document from the National Archives
Post by: chinapaddy on Tuesday 19 December 17 17:39 GMT (UK)
would he be the same William McAlarney that went Boston in 1923?



http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=784239.0;last_msg=6392060

Thank you. I had wondered about that, but his details are crossed right through so had surmised that he did not go after all.

Ok. I dont have Full access to Findmypast , just have the dot.ie part ;)