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Title: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: avidt on Sunday 17 December 17 00:10 GMT (UK)
Hi

This couple had children in Diss and then moved to Southborough where they had more childre, but I cant seem to find their marriage.

M any thanks

David ;)
Title: Re: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: Annette7 on Sunday 17 December 17 00:50 GMT (UK)
I'm finding baptisms other way round - Southburgh from 1787 to 1793, then Diss 1795 to 1805.

William Porcher married Fanny Knowles 15/4/1785 Winfarthing, Norfolk, so not 1770.

Annette
Title: Re: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: amondg on Sunday 17 December 17 05:40 GMT (UK)
The witnesses to the marriage were Charles Balls and George Garrard, bride and groom made their mark

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Title: Re: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: avidt on Sunday 17 December 17 08:20 GMT (UK)
Hi

Thanks for that useful information that means daughter Rhoda was 18 when she married and John was 19 which is quite feasible, bur what is rather strange if that on the
Ancestry trees they all have William baptised in 1771 and Frances ib 1775 which would have made them 14 and 10 when they got married.

Any suggestions please ?

Kind Regards

David :D 
Title: Re: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: emeltom on Sunday 17 December 17 10:13 GMT (UK)
Always presume that info on other peole's trees is incorrect until you can prove for yourself that it isn't. There are a lot of people out there who find a name they are looking for and presume it is the right person then put them in their tree without considering whether or not dates, ages etc fit.

Use other peoples trees as a guide but always check the info out for yourself. If you cannot prove it is correct then take it to be wrong.

Emeltom
Title: Re: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: jonw65 on Sunday 17 December 17 10:19 GMT (UK)
Norfolk Record Office has this, might be connected.

Parish Records of Shelfanger
Overseers of the Poor
Settlement certificate: Porcher, William, his wife Sarah and son William
Date 9 Nov 1764
Certifying parish Winfarthing
Parish of residence Shelfanger
(ref  PD 80/58/29)

also, a settlement examination of a William Porcher in Diss in 1786
Title: Re: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: jonw65 on Sunday 17 December 17 10:35 GMT (UK)
also, a settlement examination of a William Porcher in Diss in 1786

We can see that on FamilySearch - must be logged in now to do this
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DYZ3-NRM?i=1252&cat=541078

Is very brief,
Examination of William Porcher of Winfarthing in the County of Norfolk Weaver
taken upon oath, 21 April 1786
Says that about seven years ago he let himself for a year to Benjamin Wiseman of Diss

No family details
John
Title: Re: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: jonw65 on Sunday 17 December 17 10:40 GMT (UK)
Now, looking for Poarcher!!

Prior to that examination of a William Porcher/Poarcher in Diss, we have
Diss, Overseers of the Poor
Orders of Removal to Diss
Poarcher, William, Frances his wife
21 April 1784
Removed from Winfarthing to Diss
(ref PD 100/119)
Title: Re: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: jonw65 on Sunday 17 December 17 10:54 GMT (UK)
Porcher, William, his wife Sarah and son William
9 Nov 1764

Maybe
William Potcher + Sarah Ralph
2 Feb 1761, Bressingham

Both single. He was of Winfarthing.
So their son William, possibly your man, born 1761 - 1764
John
Title: Re: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: jonw65 on Sunday 17 December 17 11:15 GMT (UK)
Order of Removal to Diss
Poarcher, William, Frances his wife
21 April 1784

Thought so! The year in the catalogue was wrong
It was 21 April 1786

Winfarthing wanted rid of them to Diss

Log in to see it
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DYZ3-BP1?i=1979&cat=541078
John
Title: Re: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: jonw65 on Sunday 17 December 17 11:28 GMT (UK)
Possible?
Baptism, 7 September 1766, Southburgh, Norfolk
Frances Knowles
parents John + Elizbth
Title: Re: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: avidt on Sunday 17 December 17 13:15 GMT (UK)
Hi Jon

That is amazing information thanks so much for your help !

Kind Regards

David :D :D
Title: Re: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: avidt on Sunday 17 December 17 13:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Jon

This family seemed to have really suffered 2 generation of William's I think you have unravelled the mystery by your in depth examination of the records. Now all I need is to try and find the birth of the second William as you say between 1761 and 1764 ans the marriage of John & Elizabeth Knowles, any idea where I should look please ?

Kind Regards

David :D :D
Title: Re: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 18 December 17 00:07 GMT (UK)
Hi
It's a bit of a problem in Southburgh.
John Knowles married there to Elizabeth Martin, 9 Aug 1744.
A couple of baptisms indexed, Elizabeth Knowles in 1744, John in 1746.

Then a long gap to
Elizabeth Knowles 1757, Mary 1759, Elizabeth 1761, Daniel 1764, Frances 1766

So it's all up in the air at the moment!
John
Title: Re: Looking for wedding of William Po(a)rcher and Frances Knowles c1770
Post by: avidt on Monday 18 December 17 11:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Jon

Many thanks

Kind Regards

David :D