I guess purchasing her death record is the only way to find out. To find Thomas' parents I guess I need to get his death as well.
We're all trying to find a more positive result for you, but it's hard to proveIt is very difficult to prove. ???
I am getting confused now - I thought we had discounted Elizabeth Wilks Legassick ???
I am now leaning toward Elizabeth Howard......BUT that said, I think someone stated not this lady.
James Read - possible lead
1851 Wilmot Street, Bethnal Green
Ref HO107; Piece 1541; Folio 88; Page 8;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG5P-CZB
1861 Wilmot Street, Bethnal Green
Ref RG09; Piece 258; Folio 39; Page 16;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-DSBD
James William Read was born 18th December 1824 baptism 6th February 1825 St Matthew Bethnal Green Father Thomas occ Weaver Mother Elizabeth address Wilmott Street
The 1821 marriage that John has mentioned between William Parker and Sarah Read states that William Parker was a bachelor & Sarah Read was a Spinster.
The Thomas Read/Elizabeth Howard marriage was at St Mary, Whitechapel 24 Apr 1814 but the children were baptised at Spitalfields. Was Thomas born before the marriage and that is why the baptism is so close to Elisabeth's. When this couple married they were both of the parish.
Banns for a couple of the same names were read April/May 1810 at St Botolph, Aldgate the last being called on 13 May 1810 but no marriage date entered against them. Transcripts show a marriage on the 13 May 1810 but they are known to be unreliable and may have been the banns not the marriage. Are they the same couple
Putting aside the 4 children from Wilks Street, the first of the Bethnal Green children would be James William READ in 1825. BUT there is no marriage in that time frame. Were they married?? Would they have had 5 children without being married? The other 4 children from Wilks Street seem to fit into a possible marriage. BUT then how many Thomas READ's would be weavers??
One of you told me that Death records do not show the names of the parents. How about Birth records? I have Charles' baptism record and all it says is son of Thomas and Elizabeth. I guess because it all happened prior to 1837 we will never know.
it is possible Ann also died there in March qtr 1867 3a 125 aged 45.
1858 Q3 Marriage - George Glanfield & Emily Frances Read; West Ham; 04a; 44
1858 Q3 Marriage - George Glanfield & Emily Frances Read; West Ham; 04a; 44
Possibly at Woodford St Mary
http://surname-society.org/marriage-finder/
Possible marriage?
Sep 1846 West Ham 12 421
Read, Thomas
Wetherell, Charlotte
Newspapers, August 1846
Aug. 18, at Wanstead Church, Thomas Read, Esq., of Wanstead, to Charlotte, second daughter of the late John Allen, Esq., R.N.
Anyone got access to SEAX?
First marriage of Charlotte?
2 January 1836, Lee, Kent
Robert William Wetherell + Charlotte Allen
Hi all, well done, but at same time just which Thomas was the father of Emily Frances Read b 1838?
Keyboard86
I’ve just spent 6 hours looking for Emily Frances. Now I’m giving up. Even without her, it seems to be clear that we have the right family here.
That 1841 census record Jon found for Elizabeth, Thomas (a draper) and Emily looks interesting but there's a few things that niggle. Elizabeth and Thomas not born in county and Thomas' age of 20. Even with the rounding down of ages that age seems too young. Although 'our' Thomas was baptised in 1814 we think he was probably born earlier given the baptism of Elizabeth Ann later the same year. And Thomas' age given in later censuses gives him a birth year of 1812/1813 giving him an age of 28/29 in 1841, which we'd expect to be rounded down to 25.
That 1841 census record Jon found for Elizabeth, Thomas (a draper) and Emily looks interesting but there's a few things that niggle. Elizabeth and Thomas not born in county and Thomas' age of 20. Even with the rounding down of ages that age seems too young. Although 'our' Thomas was baptised in 1814 we think he was probably born earlier given the baptism of Elizabeth Ann later the same year. And Thomas' age given in later censuses gives him a birth year of 1812/1813 giving him an age of 28/29 in 1841, which we'd expect to be rounded down to 25.
I made a mistake here, Elizabeth's and Thomas' ages are 25, not 20. And with the 1841 Robson's directory record Jon has found, that census record is looking pretty good.
Looking through my notes I don't think we've found a 1841 census record for Elizabeth Ann, Thomas's sister. Could the Elizabeth on this census record possibly be her?
And why is Elizabeth shown above Thomas with the Sanders family?
And why is Elizabeth shown above Thomas with the Sanders family?
Indeed. And we discovered the enumerator was giving some extra relationship info, but Elizabeth didn't have wife written against her. Still doesn't explain why they were not born county.
Agree, it would be good to get some feedback, with Elizabeth Reed appearing above Thomas in 1841 do you think that a possible relationship exists with the SANDERS ?
Keyboard86
It appears that Thomas Read and Zephaniah Simpson (father-in-law to Thomas' sister Elizabeth Ann) were in business together...
| Thomas | 1813 - 1884 | marr: 1846 Charlotte Allen (late Wetherell) | 1808? - 1885 |
| Elizabeth Ann | 1814 - 1861 | marr: 1842 Thomas Simpson | 1812 - 1867 |
| John | 1817 - 1871 | marr: 1840 Eliza Jane West | 1817 - 1877 |
| George | 1820 - 1877? | marr: 1844 Harriet Eleanor Hulbert | 1821 - 1892? |
| Ann | 1822 - 1867? | ||
| James William | 1824 - 1861+ | ||
| Jane | 1827 - 1851+ | ||
| Charles | 1829 - ? | ||
| Benjamin | 1833 - 1900? | marr: 1860 Emma Pugh | |
| Alfred | 1835 - 1871+ |