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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: hilarykellis on Monday 18 December 17 21:07 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
My ancestor Conrad Heinrich Vetter is first found in the 1851 census living with his wife and their children at Crown Court in Manchester, Lancashire. He is a musician, professor of music, and music instrument repairer in future censuses (eventually the family moves to Chorley).
He was born about 1816 and his birth place is consistently "Prussia," or Germany in census records. His wife was born about 1810 and I know she is from Hesse and was previously married to a Jacob Veit (her maiden name was Thorn). She had a daughter, Catharina Veit, from that marriage, who married Jacob Stutt in Manchester - he was also German.
Their first son, Frederick, is baptised in Manchester in 1843 so I know both Conrad Heinrich and his wife Anna Maria were in Manchester by then. I can't find them in the 1841 census. They didn't marry until 1846 after first baptising a second son, John.
In 1861 Conrad Heinrich is referred to as a British subject, implying he was naturalized between 1851 and 1861. He is always referred to as a British subject thereafter until his death in 1890. He seems to have gone by Henry Vetter (his name on most of his children's birth certificates, marriage certs, etc). His wife is buried as Mary Vetter. Sometimes their last name is mis-spelled Fetter or Fether (V and F pronounced similarly in German, apparently).
I can't find Conrad Heinrich or his wife (with her maiden, 1st married, or 2nd married names) in any of the passenger lists or foreign arrivals lists on Ancestry (I did find their neighbors, the Hausers).
Where else could I look for records of these emigrants? I would really like to find Conrad Heinrich's kingdom of origin. His son Fred became a pretty well-respected musician (playing for the royal family on a few occasions) and clearly learned his talent from his father.
Thanks in advance!
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You might find this of background interest ... The Settlement of Germans in Britain during the Nineteenth Century ... www.mawer.clara.net/ppanayi.html
I have mention of a Henrich Vetter/Vette of Prussia working in London 1861, though he was much younger. It's likely he arrived at London, but more likely your family arrived at Hull.
Have you tried the Hull History Centre http://www.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/home.aspx for their ships lists ... I'm told there was considerable research done by a group at Hull Uni some years ago on Hull arrivals, which the History Centre may have or have access to.
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I've found an online Google book entitled: "A Dictionary of Musicians" dated 1824.
In it are a couple of Vetter musicians, one of whom lived in the Hesse area and the other in Leipzig, Saxony, which could be a starting point for your research.
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Their neighbours in 1851 Johannes and Maria Thorn maiden name Seipp married Manchester 20 June 1848 witness at the marriage Maryann Thorn.
Are they related? your mention of wife's maiden name.
Johannes Thorn came via Dover 3 April 1844 with 3 others and were described as Travelling Musicians
So Dover would be another port to check.
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Cross referencing to duplicate post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=784339
Also see previous research:
https://www.british-genealogy.com/archive/index.php/t-86903.html
https://www.british-genealogy.com/archive/index.php/t-60656.html
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www.geneanet.org
Conrad and ANN Maria ( not Anna ) are mentioned in a record and the location is
St Mark church
Hulme
Chorley
Lancashire
so have you found them living in Hulme - or just as Chorley ...I have no idea whether St Mark in Hulme has any Parish records but it might be worth googling to find out :)
ADDED I notice Jacob Stutt and Catharina Veit married in Manchester Cathedral - a later record in Hulme
Baptism: 23 Aug 1857 St Mark, Hulme, Lancashire, England
Eliza Stutt - Daughter of Jacob Stutt & Catharine
Abode: 24, William St., Hulme
Occupation: Shoemaker
Baptised by: A. W. Archer
Register: Baptisms 1847 - 1874, Page 71, Entry 561
Source: LDS Film 2357302
maybe this address in William St might help in some way ?
- but - in St Paul ,Hulme in 1866 a Jacob Stutt and Elenor J Stutt (nee Lyon )are having baptisms ...so it looks like both families are in Hulme all be it in different churches .
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Their neighbours in 1851 Johannes and Maria Thorn maiden name Seipp married Manchester 20 June 1848 witness at the marriage Maryann Thorn.
Are they related? your mention of wife's maiden name.
Johannes Thorn came via Dover 3 April 1844 with 3 others and were described as Travelling Musicians
So Dover would be another port to check.
Thanks, I have looked through Dover arrivals and couldn't find them. This Johannes we do believe is a relative of Anna Maria Thorn, I've been in touch with his descendants. However we were not a DNA match so we're not sure what that means.
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www.geneanet.org
Conrad and ANN Maria ( not Anna ) are mentioned in a record and the location is
St Mark church
Hulme
Chorley
Lancashire
so have you found them living in Hulme - or just as Chorley ...I have no idea whether St Mark in Hulme has any Parish records but it might be worth googling to find out :)
ADDED I notice Jacob Stutt and Catharina Veit married in Manchester Cathedral - a later record in Hulme
Baptism: 23 Aug 1857 St Mark, Hulme, Lancashire, England
Eliza Stutt - Daughter of Jacob Stutt & Catharine
Abode: 24, William St., Hulme
Occupation: Shoemaker
Baptised by: A. W. Archer
Register: Baptisms 1847 - 1874, Page 71, Entry 561
Source: LDS Film 2357302
maybe this address in William St might help in some way ?
- but - in St Paul ,Hulme in 1866 a Jacob Stutt and Elenor J Stutt (nee Lyon )are having baptisms ...so it looks like both families are in Hulme all be it in different churches .
Hello,
yes this Jacob Stutt is the same person - he remarried to Eleanor Lyon after Catherina Veit Stutt, his first wife (and Anna Maria Thorn's daughter), died young. I did have the Vetters living in both Hulme and Chorley. Thank you!
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I've found an online Google book entitled: "A Dictionary of Musicians" dated 1824.
In it are a couple of Vetter musicians, one of whom lived in the Hesse area and the other in Leipzig, Saxony, which could be a starting point for your research.
This is interesting, thank you...no idea if they're related because Vetter seems a fairly common surname but the musical trend is quite intriguing.
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Hi there!
I just came across your post from a few years ago and wanted to let you know that I also am a descendant of Conrad Vetter. My paternal grandmother was Joan Vetter. She sadly passed when my dad was 18 so I never got to meet her, but I have always been intrigued by the German vein of the family! My dad is on ancestry as William Peter Jackson.
Can I ask where you found the info regarding Friedrich playing for the royal family? Very cool to read that! I am currently in the throes of breast cancer, so spending a lot of time off work researching at the moment. I live in London, but dad grew up in Sale.
Look forward to hearing from you!
Helen
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Hi there!
I just came across your post from a few years ago and wanted to let you know that I also am a descendant of Conrad Vetter. My paternal grandmother was Joan Vetter. She sadly passed when my dad was 18 so I never got to meet her, but I have always been intrigued by the German vein of the family! My dad is on ancestry as William Peter Jackson.
Can I ask where you found the info regarding Friedrich playing for the royal family? Very cool to read that! I am currently in the throes of breast cancer, so spending a lot of time off work researching at the moment. I live in London, but dad grew up in Sale.
Look forward to hearing from you!
Helen
Hello Helen, so nice to meet you and I am sorry I am just seeing this. Nice to meet a Vetter cousin.
I found out about Friedrich playing for the royal family in the newspaper archives on FindMyPast. In my tree, I have all this info saved. I am happy to share my tree with you. I am on Ancestry as hilary_ancestryaddict.
I hope you get well soon and thanks for reaching out.