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Title: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: Trees on Thursday 21 December 17 10:49 GMT (UK)
Surely there weren't two couples with the same name married in the same Church three months apart  ??? Can anyone suggest what is going on here and which wedding is the one I want.
Free Reg has
Aaron PARKES & Sarah   FLAVEL married 14 Aug 1797 witnessed by Benjamin PARKES & Lucy FLAVEL
and
Aaron PARKES & Sarah   FLAVEL married 6 Nov 1797 witnessed by Mary KENLY & William SADLER

The names are not common so what is going on here any ideas?
Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 21 December 17 10:54 GMT (UK)
Could the first one be banns rather than the actual wedding  :-\

Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: groom on Thursday 21 December 17 10:59 GMT (UK)
Could the first one be banns rather than the actual wedding  :-\

That was my first thought, but banns aren't witnessed are they?
Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 21 December 17 11:07 GMT (UK)
Is this just a transcription you have seen, or images of the actual entries?

I can't check myself at the moment, because FindMyPast is down for maintenance.

Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: josey on Thursday 21 December 17 11:08 GMT (UK)
If they are 2 different couples  :o one of the Sarah's appears to have a sister Lucy. Does the minister's name appear on the record? If so, is it the same minister on both occasions? If they are the same couple, perhaps there was some sort of error perpetrated the first time that made the marriage void? Though in that case it would be noted in the parish record.
Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 21 December 17 11:20 GMT (UK)
Only a transcription on ancest. 
Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 21 December 17 11:34 GMT (UK)
I'll check the image on FindMyPast when it is back.  However, FreeREG have the same two entries.

Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: emeltom on Thursday 21 December 17 11:51 GMT (UK)
FindMyPast only has the transcriptions giving both dates

Emeltom
Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: josey on Thursday 21 December 17 11:59 GMT (UK)
And image not available on familysearch the references show 2 different pages at least.
[1] 14 Aug 1797
Indexing Project (Batch) Number   I03904-3
System Origin   England-EASy
GS Film number   1517739
Reference ID   items 2-12 p 44
[2] 6 Nov 1797
Indexing Project (Batch) Number   I03904-3
System Origin   England-EASy
GS Film number   1517739
Reference ID   items 2-12 p 45
Could the clerk have written the marriages into the parish record sometime after the event, from loose notes, and got it wrong?

Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 21 December 17 12:01 GMT (UK)
Ah, well, it was a good idea while it lasted  :)
Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 21 December 17 12:03 GMT (UK)
Parker and Havel on Findmypast, Staffordshire Marriages
It indicates images available
There's also the parish registers browse
Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: josey on Thursday 21 December 17 12:11 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the steer, jonw. Definitely 2 entries Nos 175 & 180, correct transcriptions, same minister.
Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 21 December 17 12:11 GMT (UK)
Yes, I can see the images now.  Entries 175 and 180.  Other than 175 indicates Bachelor and Spinster, and there are different witnesses, both entries are identical with the same Officiating Minister.
Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: josey on Thursday 21 December 17 12:14 GMT (UK)
Are we telepathic twins, BB  ;)
Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 21 December 17 12:15 GMT (UK)
Well, I am a Gemini - does that count  ;D
Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: Trees on Thursday 21 December 17 12:52 GMT (UK)
The same minister on both images Surley he didn't have so short not to recall marrying them before
I WONDER WHY THERE IS NOTHING TO IDENTIFY THEM FROM EACH OTHER IF THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT COUPLES i'm totally confused by this one
Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: groom on Thursday 21 December 17 13:01 GMT (UK)
Long shot, but could he have filled out the first record before the marriage and for some reason it didn't go ahead at that time? If that happened it should have been crossed out, but perhaps he forgot to do that.
Title: Re: married twice in Wombourne
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 21 December 17 13:11 GMT (UK)
But there are witnesses to the first marriage - Lucy Flavel (x) and Benjamin Parkes, and to the second marriage - Mary Sadler and William Sadler (?)