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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: Helina on Friday 22 December 17 08:19 GMT (UK)
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William Edward Horne born 1872 Derby. Parents Thomas Horne and Mary Ann Jacques,
Siblings
Clara b 1876
Thomas b 1879
Harriet b 1880
Albert b 1882
John b 1885
Ethel b 1890
Gertrude b 1894
Now the problem
I have been checking the Mother's maiden name on the GRO site and while the other children have Jacques as the Mother's surname William has Hutchinson. Looked to see if the father Thomas had married before can find no record, same for the Mother Mary Ann. They married in 1876 Derby.
Any help would be appreciated
helina
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This is entirely speculative but the names John Horne and Ellen Hutchinson appear together in Derby marriages, June quarter, 1871. Is it possible the William Edward was their child and subsequently "adopted" by Thomas and Mary Ann?
In 1881 he is in the same household as Thomas and Mary Ann but recorded as grandson of head of household.
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Could be Brentor, I'll do some research to see if Thomas had a brother called John. Thanks
helina
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Thomas's parents were called John and Maria Horne (Maria's maiden name was Blore) They had 5 children
John born 1850 married to Ellen Hutchinson, with William staying with his Grandparents in 1881 was the confusion as other members where also staying.
Thanks for your help.
helina
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Are you sure that the 1872 birth registration is your William Edward Horne, there are other birth registrations in Derby reg district for children with those parents surnames
HORNE, ALICE mmn HUTCHINSON
1874 Dec Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 446
HORNE, JOSEPH VALENTINE mmn HUTCHINSON
1876 March Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 559
HORNE, LAVINIA mmn HUTCHINSON
1877 Dec Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 512
ADDED 1881 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27K-GLN5
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The 1881 mentioned by Brentnor Boy
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27K-GZLX
also Lavinia staying with aunt/uncle
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27K-5WG2
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In 1881 Census John and Ellen Horne are living in Derby with Alice and Joseph Valentine plus Emma M age 3 and George age 3mths. Lavinia (down as Levinia) is staying with Uncle and Aunt, Thomas and Elizabeth Gill, in Litchurch. If Ellen is coping with a new baby it is possible she has sent some of her children to stay with relatives, which is why William is staying with his grandparents.
What makes you think that William Edward born 4 years before Thomas and Mary Ann married, is their son?
Emeltom
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Sure this is William's family.
Grandparents John Horne 1814-1856, Maria Blore 1816-1885
Parents John Horne b 1850, Ellen Hutchinson
Children
William Edward b 1872
Alice b 1874
Joseph Valentine 1876-1946
Emma May b 1879
George b 1881
helina
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Only one way to find out - bite the bullet and purchase the birth certificate! :-\
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In your first post you said William's parents were Thomas Horne and Mary Ann Jacques. Now you are saying they are John Horne and Ellen Hutchinson.
As I asked earlier what was it that made you think that Thomas and Mary Ann were his parents?
Emeltomm
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Because according to the GRO site William's Mother's maiden name was Hutchinson not Jacques. William's Uncle John Horne was married to Ellen Hutchinson.
helina
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Therefore William is the son of John Horne and Ellen Hutchinson.
I think the confusion may be coming from the 1881 Census in which Marias is Head of House. Thomas is down as son and Mary Ann as Son's wife. Next are Clara daughter,Thomas son, Harriet B daughter. Maria is too old to be their mother so these must be children of Thomas and Mary Ann. Then you have William E grandson. To me this implies that William is Maria's grandson, child of another one of her children and not a child of Thomas and Mary Ann, otherwise he would surely have been entered as son along with the other children.
Emeltom
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Yes I agree
helina