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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: murdo67 on Friday 22 December 17 11:21 GMT (UK)
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Trying to trace my family back and have to a degree but have got to a point where the Robertson names seems to first appear when John Brown Robertson's (b. 1871) 'reputed' father was Hugh Brown b.1850. I am now at a loss where to go now, (all this was Kilmarnock) Anyone have info on Hugh Brown?
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Is there a RCE attached to the birth certificate it may give an address for Hugh and using that you may be able to find him in the census
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Is there a RCE attached to the birth certificate it may give an address for Hugh and using that you may be able to find him in the census
dont have a birth certiificate, he is becoming something of a mystery.
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there is a birth registered for a John Brown Robertson 1871 but in Glasgow the John Brown Robertson registered in Kilmarnock wasn't until 1885
There are 3 Hugh Browns including a 24 year old in Kilmarnock for the 1871 census
Where did you find the information regarding johns reputed father Hugh
There is also a John Robertson born 19 Mar 1871 Kilmarnock Mother Marion Robertson no father named
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there is a birth registered for a John Brown Robertson 1871 but in Glasgow the John Brown Robertson registered in Kilmarnock wasn't until 1885
There are 3 Hugh Browns including a 24 year old in Kilmarnock for the 1871 census
Where did you find the information regarding johns reputed father Hugh
There is also a John Robertson born 19 Mar 1871 Kilmarnock Mother Marion Robertson no father named
Thanks, I have little info about John Brown Robertson my GGF, apart from year of birth 1871, Kilmarnock who married a Grace Hutchison. (b. 1870) I will take another look for Marion to see if there any leads. Also I have been trying to find a place called Minrihire (I think Dumfries but could be ayrshire, as on another part of the tree there are two possibles of birth from info I have one is Minrihire and the other Glencairn, just wondered if one was just a district of the other.
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Where did you find the information regarding johns reputed father Hugh
Can you tell us this please - it is important information for us to be able to help you. Was it on baptism - if so when & where? Was it on a marriage certificate if so when & where? Where have you go this year of birth from? If you have any certificates, do let us know the details - eg when & where, witnesses etc.
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John and Grace married in 1893 in Riccaton area of Ayrshire the only way to find out his parents would be to download this from Scotlands people This will contain his parents names including mothers maiden name as provided by John himself
I have found in the 1901 census the family who I believe to be your John and Grace with children George Agnes William Janet and John
There are a few family trees on Ancestry with your family and they state that John's mother was Janet Wilson reputed father Hugh Brown Janet later marries George Robertson
Grace's appear to be William Hutchison and Agnes Alexander
the names of John and Grace first 4 children all appear to be named in the traditional naming patteren
As for Hugh Brown they suggest he is a coalminer if you go back to the 1871 census and check the details of the 3 Hugh's see if any are coalminers
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Also I have been trying to find a place called Minrihire
To be honest Minrihire looks as though it could be a mistranscription :-\ have you seen the original document?
Dumfries but could be ayrshire, as on another part of the tree there are two possibles of birth from info I have one is Minrihire and the other Glencairn,
What info is it you have? Is this a tree on ancestry, yours or someone else's? Might need to follow up on their sources. Wendy's leads look good, worth following up.
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Nearest that I can find on Scotlands Places is Minishant, parish of Maybole:
https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/ayrshire-os-name-books-1855-1857/ayrshire-volume-46/99
Only other that I can think of is Minnigaff in KKD.
Gadget
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Think this is it
GLENCAIRN, a parish in the district of Nithsdale, county Dumfries, Scotland, containing the post town and burgh of barony of Minnyhive, and the villages of Kirkland and Dunreggan.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/DFS/Glencairn
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Well done, Gadget.
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Tis actually what we know as Moniaive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moniaive
Strange place, drove by last year - looking for ancestors (and the Goldsworthy sculptures) ;D
Gadget
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From an ancestry tree - may be the source of information
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/109173754/person/360069912373/facts?ssrc=
Birth [John Robertson]
27 Sep 1870 • Riccarton, Ayrshire
Reputed father Hugh Brown, coal miner, as per marriage record. John was about 6 months old on the 1871 census taken April 2, 1871. His birth appears to have been registered as "Hugh Wilson".
1871 [Hugh Brown] Residence Riccarton, Ayrshire, Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Stepson; Likely father of John Brown Robertson. Age, occupation and proximity to Janet Wilson
According to this tree this WAS the John Robertson who married Grace Hutchison. Would be interested to see any "Hugh Wilson" birth certificate
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according to Family search there is a birth of Hugh Wilson born on 27 Sep 1870 to Janet Wilson no father in Riccarton
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Also I have been trying to find a place called Minrihire
To be honest Minrihire looks as though it could be a mistranscription :-\ have you seen the original document?
Dumfries but could be ayrshire, as on another part of the tree there are two possibles of birth from info I have one is Minrihire and the other Glencairn,
What info is it you have? Is this a tree on ancestry, yours or someone else's? Might need to follow up on their sources. Wendy's leads look good, worth following up.
The info I had was from 1861 census for William Rorison. Kilk place. I have other census but they all say Glencairn, so am guessing now it was a mistake of some kind when taken.
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Think this is it
GLENCAIRN, a parish in the district of Nithsdale, county Dumfries, Scotland, containing the post town and burgh of barony of Minnyhive, and the villages of Kirkland and Dunreggan.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/DFS/Glencairn
That looks spot on, I did see that Glencairn kept terrible records. Brilliant thanks.
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Think this is it
GLENCAIRN, a parish in the district of Nithsdale, county Dumfries, Scotland, containing the post town and burgh of barony of Minnyhive, and the villages of Kirkland and Dunreggan.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/DFS/Glencairn
You star, that must be it. thanks very much.
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Glad that's sorted & I hadn't noticed it was a separate query :-[. It may be KIRK Place mistranscribed on ancestry not KILK Place. I don't have any SP credits to check original.
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Glad that's sorted & I hadn't noticed it was a separate query :-[. It may be KIRK Place mistranscribed on ancestry not KILK Place. I don't have any SP credits to check original.
It seems to have several (mis) spellings, it was Kelk place.
http://www.ayrshirehistory.org.uk/Bibliography/monos/amr4.htm
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OK thanks for that. Depressing reading about housing conditions in that link...
What do you think about the Hugh Wilson birth registration?
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OK thanks for that. Depressing reading about housing conditions in that link...
What do you think about the Hugh Wilson birth registration?
Unsure at this point about Hugh Wilson at this point, I have a cousin in Canada who is looking at this.
Unfortunately Kelk place is no longer there.
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OK thanks for that. Depressing reading about housing conditions in that link...
What do you think about the Hugh Wilson birth registration?
Unsure at this point about Hugh Wilson at this point, I have a cousin in Canada who is looking at this.
Unfortunately Kelk place is no longer there.
Update on Hugh Wilson, pretty sure that is correct, I have seen a copy of the registration.