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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: wdytya on Friday 22 December 17 14:45 GMT (UK)
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Have searched the census records for a William Healan and tried different spellings but no joy. He married a Mary Catherine Dunn( born 1891) in Cardiff Dec qtr 1912 11a 857. It could be that William was born in Ireland or if not his parents possibly as there is a strong Irish line with his wife Mary's family who were living in an Irish family area of Cardiff.
Any suggestions where to look for William would be very helpful as I have come to a full stop.
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Where and when was he born?
Difficult to look with just a name, and even if we found one, there is no way of knowing if it is the right person or not without some other info about him.
You may be best getting the marriage cert to find his fathers name, his occupation, hopefully an age and an address at time of marriage to help.
Or do you at least know when "your" one died? Giving an approx. year of birth for starters! If not it is a case of waiting for 1921 census to find the couple on there.
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Is this a remarriage for Mary :-\
Marriage Sep qtr 1939
Crimmins James
Healan Mary C (spouse Crimmins)
Cardiff 11a 1065
ADDED I assume William was around until c1925 as per Cardiff births
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1911 has an 18 yr old William Healan bn Cardiff. So could well marry in 1912.
But, as said, no way of confirming if this is the right person or not.
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Birth
Oct/Nov/Dec 1891
Cardiff
11A 318
William Helan mmn Kilegrue
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Possible siblings:
JFM 1876 Cardiff Maurice Heelan mmn Killcrow
AMJ 1877 Cardiff Laurence Heelan mmn Kilegrew
AMJ 1879 Cardiff Joanna Helan mmn Kelegrew
JFM 1885 Cardiff James Helam mmn Kilegrue
AMJ 1886 Cardiff Bridget Heelan mmn Killagrew
JFM 1889 Cardiff Thomas Hellan mmn Killegrew
AMJ 1893 Cardiff Elizabeth Helan mmn Killigrew
What a good range of spellings!
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1891
Dire writing - indexed Edden on Ancetry, but someone has sent in an alteration to Healan.
34 Eden Street Cardiff
Maurice 34 coalminer bn Ireland
Bridget 34 bn Ireland
Patrick 19 bn ireland
Edward 16 bn Ireland
Maurice 15 bn Cardiff
Laurie 14 bn Cardiff
Hannah 12 bn Cardiff
John 9 bn Card.
unreadable dtr 12 bn Card.
James 8 bn Card.
Bridget 5 bn Card.
Harry? 3 bn Card.
Thomas 2 bn Card.
1901
North William Street, Cardiff
Mauirice Healan 60 widower Retired labourer bn Ireland feeble minded
Patrick 29 gen labourer bn Ireland
John M 19 gern lab bn Cardiff
James 16 b Cardiff
Honora 18 bn Cardiff
WILLIAM 10 bn Cardiff
So, this could be your William! Certainly has the Irish connection. Prob need the marriage cert of him to Mary Dunn to see if father was Maurice.
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Is this a remarriage for Mary :-\
Marriage Sep qtr 1939
Crimmins James
Healan Mary C (spouse Crimmins)
Cardiff 11a 1065
ADDED I assume William was around until c1925 as per Cardiff births
Interesting find as Mary's mothers maiden name was CRIMMINS!!
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Many thanks lizdb with the family you have found, I think you have cracked it. Will send off for some certs to confirm.
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lizdb
On your previous post you show on the 1891census that the Healan family were living at 34 Eden street. I wonder if this should be Ellen Street?
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Possible siblings:
JFM 1876 Cardiff Maurice Heelan mmn Killcrow
AMJ 1877 Cardiff Laurence Heelan mmn Kilegrew
AMJ 1879 Cardiff Joanna Helan mmn Kelegrew
JFM 1885 Cardiff James Helam mmn Kilegrue
AMJ 1886 Cardiff Bridget Heelan mmn Killagrew
JFM 1889 Cardiff Thomas Hellan mmn Killegrew
AMJ 1893 Cardiff Elizabeth Helan mmn Killigrew
What a good range of spellings!
Given the above spellings of Healan it is no surprise that I have not found a death record for William Healan. I have searched under the spellings of all the names above, then I searched for all under first name William only from a year before the birth of his last child to when his wife remarried. Given the large numbers to search I restricted the search to the Glamorgan area on freebmd but with no luck. Maybe he left his wife and went back to Ireland.
Thanks to everyone who has helped me in this search and others during 2017 and I wish you all a merry Christmas and good luck in your family history searches in 2018
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Have found a Healan page on Facebook and they say many examples of the name being spelt in many variations.
It just adds to the fun of the chase!!
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lizdb
On your previous post you show on the 1891census that the Healan family were living at 34 Eden street. I wonder if this should be Ellen Street?
It's very cramped on the page but the previous page is far clearer and is definitely Ellen Street
Gadget
PS - they are indexed as Eather on the site I checked!!
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Death
William Healand 3 Q 1925, Cardiff 11a 384
Aged 34
Gadget
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This could be his mother's Bridget's death in 1893: http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4327610/4327613/26/healan
Column 6 paragraph 9 (a couple below " Turkish Baths")
Address is 34 Helen Street (could be your 34 Ellen st)
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A Morris Heelan :
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3386800/3386802/5/heelan
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3500715/3500719/44/heelan
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William Healan (father Maurice) married Mary Dunn (father Thomas) at St Peter's RC church, Roath, Cardiff, on 26 Dec 1912.
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Maurice Healan (father Maurice, mother Bridget Kilgrew), was baptised at St David's RC church on 23 Jan 1876, of 6 William St.
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Mary Catherine Dunn (father Thomas, mother Ellen Crimmins) was baptised at St Peter's on 19 April 1891, of 51 Milton Street. 7 other baptisms for the same couple up til 1908, by which time they had moved to 33 Byron Street.
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Patrick born Waterford 9 March 1872:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPL5-GL2
Gadget
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Could this be related:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVM2-J564
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Looks like a 2nd marriage for Maurice, father Maurice, after wife Bridget’s death in 1893. To Mary Fitzgerald, father Patrick, on 21 Aug 1897 at St Peter’s RC, Roath, Cardiff.
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Brother of William, John Michael (father Maurice), married Mary Catherine Cullinane (father Daniel), at St Peter’s, on 29 July 1906.
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Sam, Deirdre and Gadget
Many thanks for all you have found and on Christmas Day as well, how you do it I just do not know, is just fantastic, especially with the Healan name being spelt so differently. Many many thanks for these Christmas gifts!!
Seasonal best wishes. ;D :)
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http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3434154/3434161/174/ his brother
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Sam, many thanks for the newspaper report.........what a tragic death.
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Mary Catherine Dunn (father Thomas, mother Ellen Crimmins) was baptised at St Peter's on 19 April 1891, of 51 Milton Street. 7 other baptisms for the same couple up til 1908, by which time they had moved to 33 Byron Street.
Having searched freebmd there are quite a few Dunn’s born in Cardiff 1891/1908 so difficult to work out whose who!
Please can I impose on you to give me the children’s names born to Thomas Dunn and Ellen Crimmins.
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No problem.... all to Thomas Dunn and Ellen nee Crimmins
Mary Catherine 19 April 1891 (51 Milton St)
Richard 15 May 1892 (51 Milton St)
Margaret 7 July 1894 (51 Milton St)
Ellen 20 Dec 1896 (51 Milton St)
Daniel 2 Oct 1898 (51 Milton St)
Catherine 11 May 1902 (51 Milton St)
Honora 8 Jan 1905 (says 52 Milton St)
David 9 Feb 1908 (33 Byron St)
There is another Dunn family living in various houses in Milton St, (including 51), Richard and Mary (nee Bradley) in the 1860s and 1870s.
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Many thanks, very much appreciated.