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Title: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 17:22 GMT (UK)
Can anyone help me trace the whereabouts of Rebecca J Parker after the 1901 Census for West Ham where she turns up as a 7 year old in Albert Parker's family. I believe she married James Taylor in 1913 in West Ham... thank you.
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: ColC on Friday 22 December 17 17:54 GMT (UK)
Someone of that name did marry James Taylor as you say but if I have the right family of Albert and Clara, Rebecca j Parker was 17 in 1901. However no trace after.

Colin
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 18:00 GMT (UK)
You are right Colin, she was 17 in 1901, my mistake. Anyone know what the J stands for to help the search more.
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: Kay99 on Friday 22 December 17 18:09 GMT (UK)
Try looking for her as Jane in 1911 - I can't check Family Search at the moment as they are having technical difficulties
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: Brentor boy on Friday 22 December 17 18:11 GMT (UK)
Free BMD suggests Rebecca's middle name was Jane.

In 1911 Albert and Clara have living with them daughter Jane, b c  1844. Is this Rebecca using her middle name?
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 18:30 GMT (UK)
I think you have hit the nail on the head brentor boy. Age correct, 27,  and her sister Eleanor is 26 and the 1901 refers to Maud E as 16 (also second name?)  Thank you.
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 18:49 GMT (UK)
Rebecca J Parker married James Taylor in West Ham 1913. Now I need to find out how Rebecca and James got to know each other. Did they live near each other? Did Rebecca move to another county? I have found a Rebecca and James Taylor living on a farm and having children in Worcester in 1919; her first boy being called Albert after her father? If it is the same couple, did they have any other children before a possible move to Worcester?
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 19:53 GMT (UK)
Rebecca jane Taylor of poplar farm, steeple in Essex, died 29 jan 1958 at Malvona Albany road in  west bergholt (maybe a home or relatives home.) she left about £5200 to Albert James taylor, farmer, and Catherine Clara roots, married woman. Maybe they were her children? From the probate record.

Ps just read you post above about Albert.
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 20:12 GMT (UK)
There are lots of Albert Taylors born with motherís maiden name Parker.
Albert James Sep 1919 Teasdale Durham
Albert Dec 1922 Leeds Yorkshire west riding
Albert June 1925 Birkenhead Cheshire
Albert Oct 1913 Barnsley Yorks west riding
Albert e Sep 1918 Stepney
Albert I Mar 1919 Worcester
Albert a Dec 1926 Birmingham south
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 20:25 GMT (UK)
Catherine Clara taylor born third quarter 1914 Worcester Motherís maiden name Parker. Looks like the Albert I born 1919 is probably mistranscribed as I instead of J. She married Maurice roots 1940 Colchester registration district, of which west bergholt is a
Parish.)
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 20:57 GMT (UK)
You are on the money nannyj .... I realise now that Catherine C Taylor, born in Worcester,(I missed spotting that one) was her child (named after Rebecca's mother Clara)  Another piece of the jigsaw. Thanks.  ps It was Albert James.
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 22:12 GMT (UK)
Nannyj, did probate give any address for Albert James or Catherine Clara?
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 22:19 GMT (UK)
I think itís your family tree on a well-known site? It has james dying in Colchester 1950 but thereís a james Taylor with the right birth year dying in Worcester December 1945. Could that be a reason for Rebeccaís return to Essex? Wonder why they went to Worcester and why Rebecca and the son and daughter came back to Essex?
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 22:28 GMT (UK)
I started looking for them on 1939 registration. Found Catherine Clara down as roots (Taylor) in 1939 even though she didnít marry til 1940. Thereís a james taylor in Worcester but no Rebecca or Jane.
Rebecca j also on lexden/winstree registration district as is Catherine.

P.s. just found James in lexden. The discounts the Worcester death, Iíd say.
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 22:34 GMT (UK)
Nannyj, I'm a bit slow catching on ......  you mean there is a family tree of the family on a genealogy site?
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 22:36 GMT (UK)
Yes. On ancestry. Itís Browne spelt with an e ... assumed it was yours?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/22147817/person/1539512638/facts?ssrc=&ml_rpos=2
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 22:39 GMT (UK)
Nannyj, did probate give any address for Albert James or Catherine Clara?

No. Just Rebeccaís farm and where she died in west bergholt.

Maurice roots left nearly £12000 to Catherine Clara and charles Henry Taylor (who is Claraís brother on the family tree. Thereís also a fanny Elizabeth and two that are down as private, which means they are still alive - probably Albert?
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 22:48 GMT (UK)
Nammyj, I am now sure that Rebecca J Parker from West Ham is the same girl that came to Worcester about 1914 (we know Catherine was born Worcester 1914). I have found a document that shows that Albert Parker(Rebecca's father) from West Ham, bought a farm in Worcester in 1919 and that James Taylor was the farm manager. But, for some reason they no longer farmed there after 1925/26? . Did James Taylor die young and did this prompt the family move back to Essex?
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 22:49 GMT (UK)
Not my family tree .....   :'(  I am only a free member of Ancestry therefore can't access trees
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 22:52 GMT (UK)
James is still alive on 17th Feb 1940.just found Catherineís marriage record on Parish records.
Little  wigborough. Rebecca signed it. Doesnít say deceased on James part.
Maurice is a farmer in great wigborough. James and Mauriceís father are also farmers. As Rebecca was of poplar farm, steeple, Iíd guess James was a manager of farms maybe?

P.s.  ow Iíve found the marriage, have looked in little wigborough for the death. Bingo. James taylor. Aged 65. May 20th 1943 was the burial. New hall farm, Little wigborough.
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 22:53 GMT (UK)
That's a great find...
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 22:58 GMT (UK)
Jamesí death found. Added above.
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 23:02 GMT (UK)
Thanks...  so they left the farm in Worcester about 1925/26 because at that point another tenant farmer appears and takes over the farm.
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 23:05 GMT (UK)
My reason for this research is that I live in the tied cottage that was once part of the Worcester farm and I am trying to research it's past. :D
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 23:20 GMT (UK)
So I wonder where James was born in 1878. Was he a Worcestershire man? ... an Essex man?
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 23:28 GMT (UK)
Acton beauchamp, herts, 15 Dec 1878 according to the tree on ancestry. Parents James and Catherine. Look for him on 1911 in Worcester! Wonder why he went to Essex to marry Rebecca? He was 34 when he married. She was 30.
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 23:30 GMT (UK)
Girls got married in the parish where they were born? ....  the 1911 census might be interesting . James w.as 36 when he came to Worcester
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 23:33 GMT (UK)
Mystery solved. James junior (who married Rebecca) was born in herts as was his father. They moved back to Worcester sometime between 1881 and 1891 census, when they are back where James juniorís mum, Catherine, came from. Her birthplace is on census.
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 23:35 GMT (UK)
Just googled Acton beauchamp ... itís right next to suckley in Worcestershire. Thatíll be the connection, as they move to suckley before 1891.
Hereford has been mistranscribed as herts.
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 23:37 GMT (UK)
I think you have just sent me my Christmas present
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 23:38 GMT (UK)
 ;)
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 23:40 GMT (UK)
Love a good challenge. This would never have been possible before the internet with online records, forums and google maps all open in separate tabs!
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Friday 22 December 17 23:41 GMT (UK)
Still wonder why they went back to a completely different part of Essex to where Rebecca came from though?
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Friday 22 December 17 23:49 GMT (UK)
Fully agree. Great bit of research that has helped me to fill in a story.  I must somehow get copies of the 1891 and 1911 census for Acton Beauchamp etc. I would also like to contact those family tree-holders on Ancestry ... there could even be relatives alive today who know more about the Worcester Farm ....   ;)
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Saturday 23 December 17 00:06 GMT (UK)
Just to let you know ... The landed gentry that owned the Worcester farm had their ancestral home in Bishop's Frome... a stones throw away from Acton Beauchamp and that is probably how James got the tenant farmer's job. Like you, still wondering how James met Rebecca. In 1911 she was still home working for her father's business. Probably never know now
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: nannyj on Saturday 23 December 17 00:12 GMT (UK)
James senior was born in bishops Frome.
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Saturday 23 December 17 00:19 GMT (UK)
Well, well, well. Don't you just love history.
Title: Re: Rebecca J Parker
Post by: derekseanbrown on Saturday 23 December 17 00:36 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all your help... off to bed now then tomorrow will sort out and write up all the info in your posts.