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Title: Llandegla burial records
Post by: slothbear on Saturday 23 December 17 12:02 GMT (UK)
Hello
I am just wondering is there any records online that show the records of burials and where they are in llandegla church yard .
Or would I still need to contact the church .
I did this several years ago but the reply was the handwriting was to bad to understand .
I am looking for Robert roberts who died 1788 .
Thanks
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 23 December 17 12:47 GMT (UK)
Llandegla burials would be on FindMyPast or available in a booklet from Clwyd FHS.

Neither would say where in the churchyard they were buried though.  They are not available on the MIs either but I'll give the link in case you might find it useful:

http://www.clwyd-mi.co.uk/


Gadget
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 23 December 17 12:53 GMT (UK)

I am looking for Robert roberts who died 1788 .
Thanks

Are you sure that he died in 1788 and buried in Llandegla as nothing is showing in the published records?
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: slothbear on Saturday 23 December 17 19:28 GMT (UK)
I have the green parish register book with his death in Oct 9th 1788 .
Was just wondering if the burial record was online anywhere so I maybe can have his age and where he has been buried , as there is no headstone .
I did contact the church many years ago and the reply was the writting was to bad to understand .
But maybe there are others that can figure a few dates out and words on it , if it was online .
Thank you for your help . 
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 23 December 17 19:48 GMT (UK)
Which parish was the booklet for?

The booklet would have been prepared from either the BTs (Bishops Transcripts) or the Church records.  These would be the burial records - no separate death records then. 

Added - was it a non-conformist record?
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 23 December 17 19:56 GMT (UK)
There is a record for a burial of a Robert Roberts 9th October 1788 in Chirk. Occupation Carpenter. No age given.
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: slothbear on Saturday 23 December 17 20:01 GMT (UK)
His death is recorded in the green booklet , llandegla parish register volume 3 , baptisms, marriages , and burials 1777- 1812 .
It's recorded  1788 October 9th . Robert roberts he was a carpenter ..
I think the actual church records give where in church yard he may be buried and maybe how old he was when he died which would be great to find out .
Thank you
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: slothbear on Saturday 23 December 17 20:03 GMT (UK)
That's strange you have the right information but a different place , why is this do you think .
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 23 December 17 20:09 GMT (UK)
I've been looking - I think it is Llandegla as the the other names aren't places in Chirk.  Quite a few of the online records are wrongly indexed.

I've got all of the Chirk booklets and some of the Llandegla ones so will look later to check.

if it is him there's nothing more to see - I can send you the page, if you like. 

Send me  your e-mail via PM.
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 23 December 17 20:11 GMT (UK)
Place names on other pages are definitely Llandegla so it's been wrongly allocated to Chirk!
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: slothbear on Saturday 23 December 17 20:23 GMT (UK)
Thank you gadget for your help , it is very kind of you .
I think it will just be the information I already have so you don't have to send me anything thank you very much though .
So to get the burial place in the actual cematary of llandegla , I would have to visit the church and ask someone there , I am also thinking there could be an age of burial on there records they will have ?
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 23 December 17 20:28 GMT (UK)
The records that I've looked at are images of the original  Church records and signed by the vicar. I don't think you'll get anything more.

Not sure that they'll have a plan of the plots that far back.

Have you looked for wills on the Nat Library site?  If he left one, that might give info.
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: slothbear on Saturday 23 December 17 20:40 GMT (UK)
I wrote to the church many years ago and the reply I had was that there was writing to the record of Robert roberts burial , but they were unable to read the writing and tell me what it said ?
Ok I will have the page you have in question , I will be something else to add to my family tree file . I will PM you .. thank you
I will have a look for wills but the name is quit common do you think I will struggle to find the right one . .
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 23 December 17 20:50 GMT (UK)
I've just had a good look for a will and can't find anything - either with lots of info and with a little.  Do you have a marriage/children for him?

I have a Robert Roberts - only just found his father John's marriage after 15 years of searching. They all seem to arise from the parishes around Llyn Tegid and move East  ;D


Gadget
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: slothbear on Saturday 23 December 17 21:03 GMT (UK)
He was married to a Mary ? But the names are so common I can't guess to which marriage it would be .
That's why I though the actual church record it's self may have give a age of death .
Apparently there was an inquest into his death ( a roots chat member found many years ago )
I took the reference number to Ruthin record office but to my dissipointment it said nothing .

As far as I know he had children in llandegla , the last one born in 1787 , who is my descendent .
Other children were born approx two years apart before that date . Under Robert Roberts and Mary with is occupation a carpenter , but then there is Robert roberts and Mary going further back having more children again approx two years apart under the occupation of a wheelwright I am thinking it's the same family .
No abode is given for both so does that mean the actually lived in llandegla ?
I was recommended to try apprentice records as he was a carpenter , but don't really know where to search for this or how ..
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 23 December 17 21:08 GMT (UK)
I'd think that wheelwright and carpenter would be equivalents. What names do the children have?

I'll have a look through the  records to see if I can find something. It might take a while though.

Gadget
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: slothbear on Saturday 23 December 17 22:00 GMT (UK)
thank you heather for making me feel welcome to roots chat.

i think i may need as much help as you can give me.
i havent got much to go on realy,only the transcript book for llandegla i have BMD from
1744-1812.
what i no from the booklet is-

robert roberts and mary roberts was the father of--
 david born 1787,who moved to llandderfel.
robert was a carpenter.
they also had jane 1776
                      godfrey 1778
                      robert 1780
                      thomas1782
                      jane1784   (another jane)??
                      david ( above 1787)
 also there is another robert and mary roberts,he was a wheelwright
they had a edward 1769
                  john 1771
                  robert 1773
could this be the same robert roberts the carpenter,as a few years earlyer he could of been a wheelwright?
there are 2 janes and 2 robert i think the first time they were named they may of died in childhood.?

for a burial record of the father robert,i have a few dates-
1788 ( it does say carpenter by the name) i think this could be the right date,so its oct 9th 1788
1795
1803
1810
1812
and mary his wife
1798 (it does say widow)
1804
1812
the marriage date u give me could be right,but it would of ment that they had 3 children before thay were marryed?
i think you are right looking in other villages so -
IF YOU COULD HELP ME ANY MORE,NOW THAT YOU HAVE MORE INFO ON ROBERT, I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY FOR YOU 2DO SO.
i think i just need a few dates,that are right and to do with robert and mary,then i can focus and get on my way again.
sorry for going on,i realy have enjoyed researching my tree,but i am struggling and not enjoying it as much.
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: slothbear on Saturday 23 December 17 22:01 GMT (UK)
This was from a post I wrote ten years ago , sorry I didn't realise I could go that far back with my messages .
How can I get you to see he post from ten years ago . Thank you again for taking time to help me .
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 23 December 17 22:15 GMT (UK)
I've just been working backwards through the Llandegla parish baptism records and got this far:

4th March 1787 David
25 April 1784 Jane
8 Feb 1782 Thomas
30 April 1780  Robert
24 May 1778  Godfrey
21 Jan 1776  Jane
13 Feb 1773   Robert (wheelwright)
10 Feb 1771 John  (wheelwright)
26 Jan 1769 Edward

Not found a likely marriage yet though.

Will have a read of Heather's info now  :)
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 23 December 17 22:17 GMT (UK)
This is your first thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=285077.0

 :)
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: slothbear on Saturday 23 December 17 22:31 GMT (UK)
Wow can not believe it was ten years ago where has the time gone .
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 24 December 17 13:46 GMT (UK)
No marriage so far but this is the most likely Robert

Llandegla Baptisms
16 Feb 1746  Robert Roberts son of Edward and Jane   - possibly died so ~
11 Sept 1748  Robert Roberts son of Edward and Jane

I'd put it in your 'possibles' file.


Gadget
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: slothbear on Sunday 24 December 17 19:50 GMT (UK)
Fantastic Gadget , thank you for that .
If you can find anything else when you have time that would make my year..
Merry Christmas ..
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Monday 25 December 17 15:24 GMT (UK)
Another possible for you ~

Marriage by Licence
Llandegla 19 Jan 1744
Edward Roberts of Llanarmon and Jane Jones of Llandegla

As it was by Licence, you should be able to get the licence from the National Library.
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Monday 25 December 17 15:44 GMT (UK)
Also possible baptisms, in addition to  Robert (given above)

10 January 1845, Llandegla -Elizabeth d of Edward and Jane
15 October 1752, Llandegla - Thomas s of Edward and Jane
9 June 1854, Llandegla - Samuel s of Edward and Jane of the parish of Llanarmon

Also wondering about a Llanarmon marriage for Robert and Mary  - dated as just after Edward's birth but it could be when the calendar was changed - will investigate.
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: slothbear on Monday 25 December 17 22:02 GMT (UK)
I can’t say how great full I am to you Gadget for taking time to research this topic . I have been waiting ten years to go back another generation , I know it is not 100% but it seems plausible to me .
Hope you can find out a few more bits and pieces for me .
Thanks again .
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Monday 25 December 17 22:52 GMT (UK)
I'll keep looking for you - who knows we might be related far back  ;D

Looking at marriages between Robert and Mary, I think the one Heather found in Llanelidan in 1766 is the most likely - but no proof so far  :-\

Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 26 December 17 08:53 GMT (UK)
Back to the drawing board as the Llanelidan couple were having children at the same time as th Llandegla couple:

1769 - Dorothy  (of Rhyd y meudwy)
1773 - Robert (-do-)    - the Llandegla pair also had a Robert in 1773

There is another possible at Llantysilio (to the South of Llandegla)

10 July 1768 Roberrt Roberts to Mary Evans (both otp)

but they also had children bpt at Llantysilio in 1768 and 1774 and that Robert was a weaver

Nothing else in the vicinity - so may have to look in the Corwen area or the records are lost/miss-attributed .


Gadget
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: slothbear on Tuesday 26 December 17 10:38 GMT (UK)
So the llanarmon marriage could not of been them either as they had Edward before they were married ?, I was hoping it was going to be there .
Thanks again .
Title: Re: Llandegla burial records
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 26 December 17 11:22 GMT (UK)
The problem is that the registers are very confused - burials and baptisms and marriages are often mixed up on the pages. 

The Llanarmon one might still be possible - the first Mary might have died and Robert married another Mary. All I can say is that the Llanelidan  1766 marriage is not likely to be them.

Gadge