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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Smokey807 on Saturday 23 December 17 14:19 GMT (UK)
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I would appreciate some assistance in tracing the following family from the last census (1901) in Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England.
1) William Steel, born 1849 at Chard, Somerset, son of James and Mary Steel
2) Henrietta L (wife) 1856 Bromley Le Boy, Middlesex
3) Ida L.A (daughter) 1885 New South Wales
4) Dorothy Irene (daughter) 1886 New South Wales
5) Magnus H (son) 1888 New South Wales
6) Lorna M. (daughter) 1890 New South Wales.
The only information I have about the children is from the Sydney Morning Herald of August 6,1963 which stated " Dorothy Irene Steel died August 1963 at her residence 1 Prince Albert Street, Mosman. Beloved sister of Ida (deceased) , Magnus H and Lorna M. Steel. From this it is obvious that Ida had died sometime before 1963 and her siblings Magnus and Lorna were still alive in 1963.
Records for Tunbridge Wells show that James Steel and Edward John Hatter (born 1843 at Remenham, Berkshire) were dairymen and operated a dairy in Tunbridge Wells at 30 Mount Ephraim. They are found in directories of 1899 and 1903 there but not in 1890 or 1913.The business is listed as Hatter & Steel, dairymen 30 Mount Ephraim. It is known that Hatter & Steel's dairy was taken over in 1906 by John Brown's dairy and so one can conclude that the Steel family had left Australia sometime after the birth of the last child in 1890 and moved to Tunbridge Wells by 1899 and set up the dairy and that at least Dorothy Steel who died in 1963 had moved back to Australia. It would appear that the whole family left Tunbridge Wells and moved back to Australia but I cant find any records.
I can find no 1911 census for this family in England or any death records for them in England.
I would like to find out the following
1) when and on what ship did William Steel emigrate to Australia on and where did the family settle
2) the marriage record between William and Henrietta
3) what happened to Williams wife (date and place of death) and what happened to his other children.
Any family photos would be of help also.
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A start for the children:
NSW BMD index:
Ida Lilias A (birth reg 1884 Canterbury NSW, death reg 1962 Chatswood NSW)
Dorothy Irene (birth reg 1885 Canterbury NSW, death reg 1963 North Sydney NSW)
Magmes/Magnus Hembrow (birth reg 1887 Canterbury NSW, death reg 1974 NSW)
Lorna Muriel (birth reg 1889 Ryde NSW, death reg 1975 NSW)
Newspapers:
Sydney Morning Herald, Tuesday, August 06, 1963
STEEL, Dorothy Irene.—August 2. 1953, at her residence. 1 Prlnce Albert Street, Mosman, beloved sister of Ida (deceased), Magnus H. and Lorna M. Steel,
Sydney Morning Herald, Saturday, March 23, 1974
STEEL, Magnus Hembrow.-—March 20, 1974 (suddenly) at his home In Mosman. beloved son of the late Mr and Mrs W. Steel and loved brother of Ida (deceased). Dorothy (Beau deceased) and Lorna, At rest.
Sydney Morning Herald, Monday, April 28, 1975
STEEL, Lorna Muriel.—April 26, 1975, at hospital, late of Mosman, beloved daughter of the late Mr and Mrs W. Steel and loved sister of Ida, Dorothy (Beau) and Hembrow (all deceased). At rest.
Sylvia
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1931 death William Steel:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16758472?searchTerm=%22Henrietta%20Louisa%20steel%22
Funeral: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16758490?searchTerm=%22william%20steel%22
1946 death Henrietta Louisa Steel:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17990267?searchTerm=%22Henrietta%20steel%22
Sylvia
PS Burials can be found here:
https://northerncemeteries.com.au/macquarie-park/deceased-search/
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Could William and Henrietta have married in the UK? There is the following group:
Marriages Dec 1883 - W.Ham
GYDE Hannah Rebecca
HOOPER William Francis
JEFFREYS Henrietta Louisa
STEEL William
A Henrietta Louisa Jeffreys (Mothers Maiden Name: Johnson) had her birth registered in Poplar (Union) Q#2 1856. This fits with the 1901 census.
Note: Baptisms and confirmation of Henrietta's maiden name are on Familysearch:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Asteel~%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1880-1900~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Awilliam~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Asteel~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Ahenrietta~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Ajeffreys%20%2Brecord_country%3AAustralia&collection_id=1770729 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Asteel~%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1880-1900~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Awilliam~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Asteel~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Ahenrietta~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Ajeffreys%20%2Brecord_country%3AAustralia&collection_id=1770729)
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Hi,
Sorry it took a while to find the return to Australia.
They returned on the 31st May 1907 on the ship called Omrah.
Maggsie
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In the 1913 Sydney directory, William’s address was already 1 Prince Albert st Mosman ... The family would have lived at the same address for over 50 years!!
http://cdn.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/history/archives/sands/1910-1919/1913-part14.pdf
Sylvia
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Is this the family on arrival?
"Incoming passenger list to Fremantle "Omrah" arrived 4 July 1907" p19
http://soda.naa.gov.au/record/9257617/19
Sylvia
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There are some probate records
Lorna Muriel STEEL https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1523093
William STEEL 1931 https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/194943
Magnus Hembrow STEEL https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1489890
Dorothy Irene STEEL https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1188510
Ida Lilias Ayr STEEL https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1045693
I can photograph some of these next time I am at Archives office if you wish
Ros
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From Index to Register of Firms https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/searchhits_nocopy?keyname_search=steel&id=48
Name of Firm Misses N.M. TOWNS and STEEL Typewriting Office
Nature of Business Typewriting Office and Typists Agency
Place of Business AMP Chambers Pitt St
Date of Registration 12 Nov 1917
Persons Carrying on Business TOWNS Nora Kathleen, STEEL Dorothy Irene, CHRISTIE Nina Mary
Ros
adding:
William STEEL and Son
General Store Keeper
24 July 1913
Yerong Creek,
William STEEL and Magnus Hembrow STEEL
I think the 2 entries above that are for your William STEEL too (General Store at Yerong Creek Dec 1907 and The Rock 1911)
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A small obit to William STEEL in 1931 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article211300226
Tbe death took place in Sydney on Sunday of Mr. William Steel, the. father of Mr. M. H. Steel, manager of Weeden's Store, Young. The late Mr. Steel was 83 years of age.
Ros
adding :
a small obit to his wife http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article176246876
The death took place at her home in Mosman early in May of Mrs.
Steele, relict of the late Mr. W. Steele, who about 40 years ago conducted the
general store at Yerong Creek. The late Mrs. Steel would have reached
her 92nd birthday on 26th May.
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Some snippets snippet about M.H.STEEL joining the store and his background http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article143571763 and leaving Young http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article139104116
Ros
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I am most grateful to all three of you who from your hard work have managed to answer all of my questions. EXCELLENT JOB.
I was surprised to see from the death and burial records that none of the Steel daughters got married. Did his son marry-if yes to who and when? I don't need any information about his wife apart from her name and I don't need any information about their children (if any).
I was also surprised from the passenger record of 1907 that the ship went from London to Freemantle. I know Freemantle is in western Australia on the coast because I was in Freemantle one day when I went to Australia in 2010 to visit my aunt in Victoria Park (near Perth). To get there I had to fly from Canada to Sydney and then fly Sydney to Perth. The Steel family ended up in Sydney on the east coast. Any idea how they would have travelled from Freemantle to Sydney (train? fly? etc)in 1907 . I wonder why they did not take a ship from London to Sydney ?
Apart from this brief inquiry you have done a complete job......Thank you all very much
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It is Fremantle not Freemantle. The family passed through the port of Fremantle. One would assume the journey was via the Suez Canal and Fremantle would have been the first port of call. It was mandatory to record all passengers passing through ports in Australia.
Mr Wm STEEL, gent, 52 years; Mrs STEEL, lady, 49 years; Miss Ida L STEEL, lady, 19 years; Miss Dorothy I STEEL, lady, 16 years; Mr Mangus H STEEL, gent, 21 years and Miss Lorna Muriel STEEL, lady, 13 years departed London on 27 May 1907 on the OMRAH, ticketed to Sydney NSW. They were cabin passengers.
Cando
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Thank you cando for clarifying that travel information.
I have one more loose end to clear up. I am missing the travel record for the
Steel family from Australia to England sometime after the birth of their daughter Lorna in 1889 NSW and the 1899 directory record for William Steel in Tunbridge Wells, Kent in 1899. Can anyone find it please?