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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Tommo50 on Tuesday 26 December 17 18:38 GMT (UK)
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Elizabeth ? - Wife of Richard Tompsett b.1664 in Rotherfeild-- Died ?
They had children baptized in Withyham John 1691 ,Richard 1694 , Thomas 1697, Ann 1700,James 1703 ,Edward 1706 and possibly Mary ? .
Who was Elizabeth please ?
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First one baptized at Withyham?
22 June 1690
William the son of Richard and Elizabeth Tomset
John's baptism, 13 March, would have been in 1692 by the Gregorian calendar.
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First one baptized at Withyham?
22 June 1690
William the son of Richard and Elizabeth Tomset
John's baptism, 13 March, would have been in 1692 by the Gregorian calendar.
interesting- a search of William turned up another - William- son of William and Elizabeth Tomsett Christened 1692 - Rotherfeild Sussex - I have been tracing Richard Tompsett b 1694 - back thru the Withyham line- hadn't seen a Rotherfeild connection before but it would make sense - is there a Richard born 1694 in Rotherfield ?
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No, I can't see a Richard baptized in Rotherfield.
William and Elizabeth seem to have married in Withyham in 1692?
There's a couple of mentions of a Richard Tompsett/Thomset in Withyham, 1678/1690 on The Keep.
John
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No, I can't see a Richard baptized in Rotherfield.
William and Elizabeth seem to have married in Withyham in 1692?
There's a couple of mentions of a Richard Tompsett/Thomset in Withyham, 1678/1690 on The Keep.
John
Any clues as to Elizabeths maiden name ?
Mark
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I haven't come across a marriage anywhere, sorry.
Perhaps someone else will have better luck.
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From The Keep - I Have Richard Tompsett of Withyham Alehouse keeper 1678
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A Richard Thomset was buried at St Michaels & All Angels at Withyham on 04 July 1714.
Some of this will be duplicate but spellings might help, all at St Michaels & All Angels, Withyham.
Tomset:
John s/o Richard & Elizabeth bap. 13 March 1700/1701
Richard ditto bap. 19 Aug 1694
Tomsett:
Ann born 20 Jan 1700/1701, bap. 04 Feb 1700/1701
Edward bap. ? Dec 1708
Thomset:
Edward born 12 Sep 1706, bap. 08 Oct 1706 Buried - ? Apr 1707
Thomsett:
Thomas bap. 07 Aug 1697
James born 26 Jan 1703/1704, bap. 25 Feb 1703/1704
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A Richard Thomset was buried at St Michaels & All Angels at Withyham on 04 July 1714.
Some of this will be duplicate but spellings might help, all at St Michaels & All Angels, Withyham.
Tomset:
John s/o Richard & Elizabeth bap. 13 March 1700/1701
Richard ditto bap. 19 Aug 1694
Tomsett:
Ann born 20 Jan 1700/1701, bap. 04 Feb 1700/1701
Edward bap. ? Dec 1708
Thomset:
Edward born 12 Sep 1706, bap. 08 Oct 1706 Buried - ? Apr 1707
Thomsett:
Thomas bap. 07 Aug 1697
James born 26 Jan 1703/1704, bap. 25 Feb 1703/1704
Thanks - I have also found a John Tomsett Bapt 13 Mar 1691 at St Michaels Withyham to Richard and Elizabeth - later a Marriage at St Michaels 1717 between John Tomsett and Mary Gerard , Wondering if it is the same John as above ?
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Whoops sorry, I misread my notes and the John I found was the one you found baptised 13 Mar 1691/1692. :-[
Both John and Mary were both of the parish at their wedding and there doesn't appear to be any other John Tomset's of any spelling baptised at Withyham in the relevant time period but he could have course moved to there after baptism somewhere else. John's father's name not recorded on SFHG. FamilySearch Pedigree Resource File has John as the son of Richard & Elizabeth but it doesn't say how it came by that information so I'd treat it with caution.
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Taking it all further back
Richard Tompsett bapt 1st May 1664 Rotherfeild to Henry Tompsett and Parnell (nee Fairman)
Henry and Parnell married 7th Apr 1663 in Frant Sussex
looking for Henry's birthdate and parents - I suspect 1629 Rotherfield to Henry and Mary Tompsett
this would make him 10 years older than Parnell b.1639
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The ten year age gap not that unusual especially if Henry had been married before and widowed. Have you explored that possibility?
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Have you considered the Richard baptized at Burwash, 10 July 1664?
PR here (faint entry)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DT7Q-J97?i=70&cat=21522
Son of William Tomsett.
The register seems to be written in latin at this time (but that entry wasn't!)
On the other page, 3 April 1666, Thomas Tompset filius Gulielmi et Annae (or something like that!)
There are others, including James, 1669, Edward, 1674
Presuming Ann was mum of Richard also, and bearing in mind that first baptism of son William to Richard in Withyham, it just seems that the names might be better?
BT Withyham, from 1690 (William s/o Richard + Elizabeth is entry 5)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DTS3-XLZ?i=193&cat=586259
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Rotherfield is a bit closer to Withyham than Burwash though. Burwash not far from Rotherfield!
Is this the Burwash William and Ann marriage?
13 April 1658, at Frant, William Tomset + Ann Casleden
Sussex Marriage Index says he was a husbandman of Rotherfield (banns record)
That banns record is from St Michael Lewes, and it could be a somewhat unusual find for this period?
March 13, 20, 27, 1658
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRNS-KBS?i=452&cat=216864
On that record Ann is Hasleden! Of Frant.
There is an Ann baptized at Rotherfield in 1659, father William, but we are in a run of William Tompsett baptisms there, so not sure.
Anyway, at Burwash, could the first relevant baptism be 6 March 1661, John son of William Thomson? Previous image to Richard, down the bottom of the first column.
Indexed on FamilySearch, they think 16 March
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2MZ-15T
John
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open mind to all possibilities
I'm working back from Richard Tompsett tenement farmer of Duddleswell from 1729 (b1694) the land passed down thru the family.
looking at all possible Tompsett links around Rotherfeild , Buxted ,Withyham and nearbye
I have wondered if Henry Tompsett b1629 may be the son of Henry Tomsatt b.1596 Rotherfield and Mary Bacon
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I've not been able to find that baptism indexed! But he may well be.
I am still a bit worried about this line.
What happened to Henry and Parnell in Rotherfield? Can't see her death anywhere.
But the son Henry (1667) may have married Mary Fitnes(s) in Chiddingly, May 1687
Five children baptized there, Parnell, Mary, Ann, Richard, Henry
This Henry was a blacksmith and left a will proved 1699. Names sister Parnell (who she? Rachell in Rotherfield?), and daughters Parnell and Anne
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-69P7-5J7?i=135&cat=685691
There is a "Chatharine" Tomsett baptism indexed in Chiddingly, 1676, father Hen (FamilySearch). May have died shortly after?
Could Henry senior and Parnell have taken the family to Chiddingly? Answer, I don't know at the moment!
John
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Bap of Rachell in Rotherfield, 1670
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DBY7-K8X?i=287&cat=221262
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I've not been able to find that baptism indexed! But he may well be.
I am still a bit worried about this line.
What happened to Henry and Parnell in Rotherfield? Can't see her death anywhere.
But the son Henry (1667) may have married Mary Fitnes(s) in Chiddingly, May 1687
Five children baptized there, Parnell, Mary, Ann, Richard, Henry
This Henry was a blacksmith and left a will proved 1699. Names sister Parnell (who she? Rachell in Rotherfield?), and daughters Parnell and Anne
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-69P7-5J7?i=135&cat=685691
There is a "Chatharine" Tomsett baptism indexed in Chiddingly, 1676, father Hen (FamilySearch). May have died shortly after?
Could Henry senior and Parnell have taken the family to Chiddingly? Answer, I don't know at the moment!
John
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Bap of Rachell in Rotherfield, 1670
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DBY7-K8X?i=287&cat=221262
Parnell Tompsett bapt 1 Nov 1688 to Henry and Mary Tompsett -Chiddingly
Married John Bones 28 Feb 1719 ,Mayfield Sussex
their children - born in both Mayfeild and Rotherfeild which are close
John 1719 ,Ann 1722, Mary 1723 ,Symon 1724 ,Richard 1726,Joseph 1728.
Parnall = spouse of John Snr Boans buried 8th Nov 1772 Rotherfeild
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Wondering where this fits ? Possibly Henry b.1647 Son of George Tompsett Rotherfield
Family search :
Name Henry Senior Tompsett
Spouse's Name Mary Turner
Event Date 14 Apr 1668
Event Place Rotherfield, Sussex, England
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They were both widowed, according to the parish register.
There's a burial in Rotherfield, 16 Feb 1662/3, Mary the wife of Henry Tompsett.
Which may confuse things further.
Adding to the confusion
Richard the Alehouse Keeper in Withyham was still going strong in 1683 and 1686 (as Tompsitt, on The Keep)
An extra Henry in Chiddingly?
Burials indexed there
7 Sep 1677 Catherine Thomsett, dau Hen
22 Aug 1678 Henry Tomsett
10 April 1688 George Tompsett
21 Sept 1688 Wid Tompset (widow of Henry perhaps?)
18 Dec 1689 Henry Tomsut, jun
1 Jany 1696 Henry Thompsett, son Henry
Also in 1696, Richard Thompsett, son Henry
22 July 1697 Wife of Henry Thompsett
5 April 1699 Henry Thompsett (we have his will)
There was also a marriage in Framfield, 14 October 1707
Tho Smidemar + Parnel Tomset
both of Mayfield
Could that be the sister mentioned in Henry's will? No such name as Smidemar.
She may then be the Parnell Smytheman buried Mayfield, 6 August 1744
John
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Going back a generation again - all to be verified
Henry Tomsatt abt 1596 Rotherfield
Married Annis Venner (1600 - 1626)21 May 1621 Rotherfield
Children George b Rotherfield1623-1678
2 other children died as infants - Unknown 1622 and John 1625
Annis passed away 10 Dec 1626 Rotherfield
Married Mary Bacon(b1606) in Rotherfield 15 Oct 1627
Children:born in Rotherfiled
Mary Tomsett
Henry Tompsett 1629- 1678
Grace Tomsett 1631
Thomas Thompsett 1633
Catherine Tomsett 1633
John Tomsatt 1638 - 1638
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so here's a few wild assumptions
They were both widowed, according to the parish register.
There's a burial in Rotherfield, 16 Feb 1662/3, Mary the wife of Henry Tompsett.
Which may confuse things further. - Possibly Mary Bacon b.1606 wife of Henry Tomsatt b1596 Rotherfeild . Children Mary Henry Grace Thomas Catherine William John Ann
Adding to the confusion
Richard the Alehouse Keeper in Withyham was still going strong in 1683 and 1686 (as Tompsitt, on The Keep)
An extra Henry in Chiddingly?
Burials indexed there
7 Sep 1677 Catherine Thomsett, dau Hen Maybe an infant b1676 to Henry and Parnell Faireman
22 Aug 1678 Henry Tomsett Old Henry b 1596 ?
10 April 1688 George Tompsett possibly the son of Old Henry b1596 and a first wife Annis or Agnes Venner1600 -1626, George b.1623 married Elizabeth Aynscombe Rotherfield 1645
21 Sept 1688 Wid Tompset (widow of Henry perhaps?) or widow of George
18 Dec 1689 Henry Tomsut, jun ??
1 Jany 1696 Henry Thompsett, son Henry Maybe another infant son of Henry and Mary Fitness
Also in 1696, Richard Thompsett, son Henry maybe son of Henry Tompsett and Mary Fitness
22 July 1697 Wife of Henry Thompsett Mary Fitness ??
5 April 1699 Henry Thompsett (we have his will) Husband of Mary Fitness ??
There was also a marriage in Framfield, 14 October 1707
Tho Smidemar + Parnel Tomset
both of Mayfield
we also have a Parnell Tompsett married to John Bones 1719 Mayfield she died 1772 Rotherfield,
Could that be the sister mentioned in Henry's will? No such name as Smidemar.
She may then be the Parnell Smytheman buried Mayfield, 6 August 1744
John
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The will of George Thomset, Husbandman of Chiddingly, 1688
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D1H7-D19?i=474&cat=685691
George b.1623 married Elizabeth Aynscombe Rotherfield 1645
Yes, it looks very much like it.
Has a younger son Henry, and the witnesses are interesting too
John
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The (register copy) will of John Filtness, Carpenter of Mayfield, 1707 (Deanery of South Malling)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-D13S-FGT?i=48&cat=173636
Wife Parnell
John was the father of Mary who married Henry Tompsett in 1687
http://www.thekeep.info/collections/getrecord/GB179_P292_13_6
Any possibility that his wife Parnell was a second one, i.e. the widow of Henry, married 1663?
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Any possibility that his wife Parnell was a second one, i.e. the widow of Henry, married 1663?
Deanery of South Malling, marriage licence register
4 August 1681
John Filtness + Parnell Tompsett, widow
Mayfield
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DT69-LW8?i=938&cat=604182
Can't find the marriage though!
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"There was also a marriage in Framfield, 14 October 1707
Tho Smidemar + Parnel Tomset
both of Mayfield
Could that be the sister mentioned in Henry's will? No such name as Smidemar.
She may then be the Parnell Smytheman buried Mayfield, 6 August 1744"
Yes - looks likely to be his sister - with Henry's Daughter Parnell marrying John Bones
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Our mystery lady remains Elizabeth - wife of Richard Tompsett b.1664
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Intrigued that "Richard" is not a name that comes thru often in the family ?
Possibly about the time of Richard Cromwell - Lord Protector of England 1658-59 ,in place of a monarch and not very popular ?
or barking up the wrong tree ?
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Hi
I hadn't thought of that. They say that George was not such a popular name when the Hanoverians were on the throne. Although I have one or two then.
I guess that if it's a family name they wouldn't be too bothered.
Parnell's death record seems to be as elusive as Filtness as it was as Thomsett. I doubt she married a third time though!
John
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Any possibility that his wife Parnell was a second one, i.e. the widow of Henry, married 1663?
Deanery of South Malling, marriage licence register
4 August 1681
John Filtness + Parnell Tompsett, widow
Mayfield
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DT69-LW8?i=938&cat=604182
Can't find the marriage though!
what chance this is Parnell ?
Fittness
England, Sussex, Parish Registers
Name Fittness
Event Type Burial
Event Date 21 Jan 1719
Event Place Mayfield, Sussex, England
Gender Female
Spouse's Name Fittness
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Hi
Could be.
The Widow Filtness
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D513-Q93?cat=217230