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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: Gerry Burroughs on Wednesday 27 December 17 22:48 GMT (UK)
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I bought a set of miniature medals attributed to this man. I also got his medal card to see if the medals matched up. He apparently was with the Lancashire Fusiliers in WW1. He has a W. Africa medal with clasp 1919 which I cannot find in my Spink medal ref book!! The national Archives has his title msg to me as Barry,Patrick Francis Joseph Fawcett: Lancashire Fusiliers. Were the Lancashire Fusiliers in W.Africa?? also there is a mentioned in dispatches leaf on the W.Africa medal and one on the war medal. The medal card has a note at the btm which states unable to verify Mentioned in dispatches. So I am confused about his actual name and his medals!!! any help would be much appreciated. Cheers Gerry
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Hi
Did this gentleman die in 1978 ?
There are numerous entries for him in the Probate registry and his name is given as
Patrick Francis GERVASE Fawcett-Barry or
Patrick Francis JERVOISE Fawcett-Barry
claire
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Commissioned 29 Jan 1915. He served in the Lancashire Fusiliers and was transferred to the General List for service with the West African Frontier Force - London Gazette 19 Sep 1917. The LG, where it has his full name, has Joseph rather than the posher versions!
MaxD
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Many thanks for that information, when i looked up the African General service medal in "British Battles and Medals" I could not find a reference to a 1919 Clasp. So would he have served with the Frontier Force for how long? Do you know if this force was involved in any conflicts?. His full size medals and the miniatures along with Binoculars and a holster were sold at auction in Dec. Apparently the buyer had no interest in the Holster or miniatures and they were put on ebay. His full size medal group did not have the African G/S medal but I noticed the ribbon bar had it included and there was also a ribbon with 3 blue stripes on an orange background. Haven,t checked this out yet but would this be the South African Co medal?? Anyway many thanks you have provided me with information which I certainly could not find. Cheers Gerry
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Hallo Claire, thank you for your reply. I have very little information at the moment apart from what has been posted by MaxD. Its really odd spelling for Joseph!!! If he died in 1978 he would have been in his 80s , I wonder if there is an obituary out there somewhere for him?? cheers Gerry
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His service finished on 2 Sep 1919 (London Gazette).
A little known (to me) campaign - Wikipedia here :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_West_African_Frontier_Force
Problem is that one would need to know the battalion(s) he fought with and without his records this may be difficult.
Same lack of luck with the 1919 clasp although I'd have expected the ribbon to be three yellow stripes on a dark background. The South Africa Co medal would seem to be well out of synch as it was for 1896/7- not really my area of expertise though.
MaxD
PS - He was involve in the film and stage industry by the look of the newspapers in the 30s. The Q4 1977 Gloucester registered death written as Barry Patrick Frances JF would link with Claire's thought.
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He is quoted as a source in "Tolkien and the Great War"
https://goo.gl/Z3vzFE
Looks like he was the commanding officer of "A" Company 11th Lancashire Fusiliers
https://goo.gl/yLUKJU
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Thank you Shaun, I downloaded the book you mentioned on my Kindle and yes he is referred to in it. I am not sure if he has left a war diary or what but there is a reference to the Fawcett-Barry papers? have been googling for possible information on these. I was thinking of checking to see if his military career papers exist as apparently most of these were destroyed in WW2. Maybe give that ago? also I wonder if there was anything about him in is obituary?? can anyone help there? Many thanks Gerry
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This is just a little information on the original auction which broke up the little collection and a view of the miniature set which i have. the collection was sold on the 15th Dec 2017 lot 261 by Burstowandhewett.co.uk . There are a couple of items I would have loved to have had, one is a newspaper cutting of men on horseback with him marked with 2 x and his photo. cheers Gerry
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The army records of PFJ Fawcett-Barry (service number P119100, dob 7/2/1889) are still held by the Ministry of Defence.
You can apply for a copy. There's a £30 fee.
https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records
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Many thanks Shaun I will apply now. Cheers Gerry
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There is a page open for him on https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/lifestory/221408#facts
but not a lot of information added to it thus far
there is a medal index card added by Imperial War Museums but you need to subscribe to view it
https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/lifestory/221408#evidence
https://search.livesofthefirstworldwar.org/record?id=GBM/MCI/0221573
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D1206997
the medal card record is available for £3.50
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You have probably found them by now but the Fawcett-Barry papers are at the Imperial War Museum
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1030006642.
The Tolkien link is because JRR Tolkien served as a junior offer in the same (11th Battalion).
MaxD
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Couldn't spot an obit. in "The Times" but 9th Feb 1938
Regular Army Reserve of Officers
The following, having attained the age limit of liability to recall, cease to belong to the Res. of Off:-
INFANTRY
Lan. Fus. - Lt. P F J Fawcett-Barry (Feb 7)
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Many thanks everyone so far I have a learnt quite alot from all your help. I have my forms filled in and a cheque enclosed for£30 and will get it in the post tomorrow for his service details. The papers he has lodged with the IWM I certainly would love to see, I will get in touch with them and see how much copying is involved first, if they even do that and how much!!! Cheers everyone and a Happy New Year. Gerry
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Hi Patrick Fawcett Barry is my great grandfather. I would really appreciate any help or information anyone has about him. Please get in touch! Many thanks
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I have his service records and his miniature set of medals. The full size set did not include his African service medal. I have a photo of the original auction lots which included a picture of him. Contact me though my email. (*) Gerry
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Hello,
Can anyone confirm if Patrick Fawcett Barry served in Malaya during the Malayan Emergency between 1948 to 1960? Or did he maybe reside in Malaya during this time?
I am trying to trace a relative who possibly served as a Lieutenant in 1957 and left Malaya in 1959. His initials are P J Fawcett.
Please get in touch if you have any information!
Thank you in advance!
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No this Captain Francis Joseph Fawcett Barry would not have served in the conflicts you quoted. This is a WW1 man who was stood down from the reserve of Officers in 1938 because of his age. I owned his service records and miniature medals which I have passed on to his family connections, see T Bradshaw and contact her for information on his children. She has researched his family tree which connects with her family. Gerry
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I am interested in this person since he appears to have married a Lavinia Watts of Christchurch, Dorset. They seem to have had a daughter, or two, and Power family legend has it that he died in WWI before she married Lt William Noel Power who had become a Planter in Sudan. I would be very interested in any further information about this person. The supposed widowhood of Lavinia seems to be an invention as Patrick seems to have lived until 1977. One of the daughters went on to marry a Baronet Charles Wolseley and The Peerage gives Patrick F-Barry as being "of Cork". any information welcome!
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I believe that he did and that he married several times in his life, do you have any information on him?
Hi
Did this gentleman die in 1978 ?
There are numerous entries for him in the Probate registry and his name is given as
Patrick Francis GERVASE Fawcett-Barry or
Patrick Francis JERVOISE Fawcett-Barry
claire
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Could you share any of the information you have? Are you related to this person? I am researching him due to a Power family connection.
I have his service records and his miniature set of medals. The full size set did not include his African service medal. I have a photo of the original auction lots which included a picture of him. Contact me though my email. (*) Gerry
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Can you say how you are related to this person? Is your link through a Lavinia Watts who was married to him in 1916?
Hi Patrick Fawcett Barry is my great grandfather. I would really appreciate any help or information anyone has about him. Please get in touch! Many thanks