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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: bkr188 on Saturday 30 December 17 04:57 GMT (UK)
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John Henry Smith was born C1871 at St. Pancras and married May Ann Blackmore. The 1901 Census have them living at 25 Peckwater Street, St. Pancras and he is a Post Office worker. His wife supposedly born Chalk Farm London C1870 and their children Agnes born C1893, and John George C1895 were both born in Islington. I have information on John George and nothing more about the other 3, except that of the 1911 Census. Any other information about them would be a lottery win. Smith from London must be like Jones from Wales - where does one start!!!!!??????
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With the marriage hopefully which is online on Anc
5 Jun 1892 Holy Trinity, Haverstock Hill, Camden
John Smith age 21 Store Assistant - Father George Smith - Shoemaker
One of the witnesses is a George Frederick?? Smith
Kay
Added Mary is listed as 22 with father John Blackmore - Carpenter
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Possibly Mary Ann pre marriage
1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB6D-CRH
1891 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB6D-CRH
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Possible for John in 1891 Living at Peckwater Street, Pancras
Charles Fernee 30 Coal Porter - b Pancras
Mary Fernee 35 b Pancras
Charles Fernee 5 b Pancras
William Fernee 3 b Pancras
George Fernee 0 b Pancras
John Smith Brother In Law 21 Telegraphist Porter b Pancras
Charles Fernee is listed as this John Smith's brother in law and Charles married a Mary Morton Silitoe on 03 Aug 1884 at Regent's Park St Mark,
I think Mary in baptised Mary Morton Sillitoe on 26 Apr 1857 with parents Clara and William. A tree on Anc lists mother Clara as being widowed (edit - found a death of a Willliam Sillitoe age 33 GRO Ref 1857 March Qrtr ST PANCRAS Vol 01B Page 101) and remarrying a George Smith in 1860 in Windsor
This might be the family in 1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDC-MLC however George is listed as a private soldier not a shoemaker :-\
Kay
Added - Possible mother Clara Smith/Sillitoe's maiden name was Stevens (marriage to William Richard Sillitoe in 1854 in St Pancras).
The GRO Birth Index has the birth of a John Henry Smith Sept Qrter 1870 PANCRAS Vol 01B Page 10 with mother's maiden name Stevens and the birth of older brother George Smith b 1866 in Windsor also with mother's maiden name Stevens and middle name Frederick
This ties in well with the witness George Frederick Smith on your John Henry Smith's marriage cert
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SMITH, AGNES MARGARET mmn BLACKMORE
1893 June Quarter
PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 116
SMITH, JOHN GEORGE mmn BLACKMORE
1894 Dec Quarter
PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 146
SMITH, WILLIAM JAMES mmn BLACKMORE
1896 March Quarter
PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 162
death - Mar qtr 1896 Smith William James age 0 Pancras 1b 57
SMITH, MARY ELIZABETH mmn BLACKMORE
1898 Sept Quarter
PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 138
death - Mar qtr 1899
Smith May Elizabeth age 0 Pancras 1b 122
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Wow, you are fantastic. Thank you soooo much Kay99 and rosie99. I can now check out these clues. We have some information on John Henry after he was married and only from the census did we find John George had a sister Agnes Margaret. :D informs me she died at an early age, which I have yet to verify. Now this further information gives a greater picture of the family. John George lived to marry, survive WW1 as a soldier, have 4 children and many grandchildren. Hope I may repay by helping someone else break down a blank wall. :D :D
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Good luck and come back if you have any problems :)
Kay
Forgot to say I think this could be Clara Stevens/Sillitoe/Smith with mother in 1861. The image lists her as married https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDC-MLQ
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With the marriage hopefully which is online on Anc
5 Jun 1892 Holy Trinity, Haverstock Hill, Camden
John Smith age 21 Store Assistant - Father George Smith - Shoemaker
One of the witnesses is a George Frederick?? Smith
Kay
Added Mary is listed as 22 with father John Blackmore - Carpenter
Thank you Kay. Do you know how I might be able to obtain a copy of the marriage certificate?
bkr188
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If you send me a pm with your email address I can send you a copy -if you don't have access to Anc
You can also purchase a copy at the GRO using there ref no Jun Qtr 1892 Pancras Volume 1b Page 108
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp You have to register first which is free
Kay
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Thank you Kay99 - very generous and so appreciate your help. Trying to decipher name of the 2nd witness. It is interesting they give the same address for both bride and groom. Hopefully this will give a start to finding George Smith and John Blackmore.
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I can't read the name of the second witness well either. Possibly
Agnes Ada Carswell?? :-\
I think this might be father John Blackwell b 1816 Stroud Glos in 1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB6D-CRS and 1881 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q273-BB2N In 1881 he is listed as a carpenter and in 1871 he has a daugher Mary Ann of the right age
Kay