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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Greenwood on Monday 01 January 18 14:04 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find information about Anna Louisa Saur of St James Piccadilly who married Charles Marie Benoit de St Bel in 1788. She became known as Mrs. Sainbel (an alternative spelling), and was widowed when Charles who was a French immigrant died suddenly in August 1793. Charles St Bel was the founder and first Professor of the Royal Veterinary College and was living at 36 Little St. Martin's Street, Leicester Square by 1790. Anna was said to be a lady of some status. Her surname seems to be Austrian or Swedish.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Andrew.
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She signed the marriage register as A. L. Sauer. One of the witnesses was Henry Sauer. Have you tried looking for him?
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No I haven't. I found her through findmypast and the register spelled her as Saur. Thank you for this. Where would I find a copy of the register itself?
I'll try looking for him.
Andrew.
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The register image for the marriage is on F M P in their Westminster marriages collection
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Sorry, I had seen that, I just missed the bit lower down!
Henry Sauer on FindMyPast lived in Great Jermyn street from 1764 right through to the 1830s, so I ought perhaps be able to trace his occupation, assuming he is her father.
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On ancestry there is a Henry Sauer of St James Westminster who pays dues for an apprentice 6 August 1767, he was a Peruke Maker.
Great Jermyn Street is in the St James Westminster
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The Dictionary of National Biography, has Charles Vial De Sainbel or Saint Bel born Lyons France 1753
came to England 1788 died 1793.
---his accomplishments in France
Professor at the Veterinary College of London 1791
According to the marriage bond, he was 36 when they married and she was 21, both of St James Westminster.
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Thank you for this. I have obtained a copy of the marriage bond from LMA but I don't see any indication of their ages, although 36 would be correct for Charles (b.1753). Have I missed the age for Anna somewhere?
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There are 2 images on ancestry both for the marriage, the first appears to a sheet of paper
indexed (on ancestry as a BOND) as Benoit Charles Marie De Saint and Anna Louisa Saner. Ref DL/A/D/24/MS10091E/101/1
This is the one you were given.
**The other is a page in a book this is the one you want, indexed as Benoit Charles Marie De Saint Bel.
Ref: MS10091/159
**Indexed on ancestry as an ALLEGATION
It reads Benoit Charles Marie De Saint Bel of the parish St James Westminster in the County of Middlesex batchelor aged 36 years and upwards, intends to marry Anna Louisa Sauer of the same parish spinster aged 21 years and upwards.
Spelling as in document.
Both are dated 2 July 1788
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Thank you. As I understand it, this just means that Anna was over 21 rather than being specific?
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He was 36 and over, she was 21 and over meaning they had had that birthday, she did not need parental consent and their next birthdays would be 37 and 22.
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Could this be Anna Louisa's sister?
Name: Joseph Pante
Spouse's Name: Dorothea Elizabeth Sauer
Event Date: 18 Jul 1775
Event Place: Saint James,Westminster,London,England
Spouse's Father's Name: Henry Sauer
ADDED: Dorothea showing as a minor at the time of the marriage bond.
At least one child to them:
Name John Henry Lewis Panti
Residence Place Westminster, London, England
Gender Male
Christening Date 08 Sep 1776
Christening Date (Original) 08 Sep 1776
Christening Place St. James, Westminster, Middlesex, England
Birth Date 21 Aug 1776
Father's Name Joseph Panti
Mother's Name Elizabeth
Monica :)
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Yes, very likely I would think. Thank you.
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A 'Marriage Bonds & Allegations' entry for Henry Philipps Sauer and Catherine Margaret Weesel on 20 Dec 1752.
Henry from the Parish of St Martins in the Fields, Westminster and Margaret from St James'. He being aged 24 and she 34. Marriage proposed to take place in the Parish Church of St James or the German Chapel in the Parish of St James.
Potential parents to Anna Louisa and possibly Dorothea Elizabeth?
Monica
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Yes excellent. Undoubtedly Henry, and probably Catherine judging by her name, were of German descent from immigrants and had retained their church allegiance, perhaps as members of a German community in Westminster. When Anna's husband, who was French died in 1793, she had him buried in the German Chapel at the Savoy.
They had no children but I know nothing of her further life, except that she was considered destitute by 1795, so his former colleagues published his collected works on veterinary medicine with all profits to go to her. The Veterinary College had awarded her an annual sum, but apparently withdrew it when college finances collapsed.
Thanks Monica,
Andrew.
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In her late 30s/40s likely when this was going on towards the end of the 1700s. As you say, wonder what became of her :-\
Monica