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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: Tommo50 on Tuesday 02 January 18 05:58 GMT (UK)
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John Hall b.20 Sep 1831 Advent , Married Elizabeth Kingdon b1836 - in Camelford Cornwall 1859
They emigrated to NZ 1872 with her parents Jonathan and Mary Kingdon.
They had all been working for William Reynolds at "Trecarne" Farm in Cornwall - Continued farming with William in Cambridge NZ .
Interested in John Halls Family - I suspect the surname was originally Hole - as noted in the family bible ?
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What information does John & Elizabeths marriage give for his father
Where do you have the couple on census
Found 1861 & 1871 - (details posted for information to help others)
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OK - 1871 Lanteglos
RG19/2219 f7 p7
John Hall 40 bn Advent occupation Road Maker
Eth Hall 34 bn Advent
John Hall 12 bn Advent
Jane Hall 7 bn Lanteglos
Wm Henry Hall 5 bn Lanteglos
James Hall 3 bn Lanteglos
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From Cornwall OPC site :- Baptism 30 January 1831. Advent. John Hole. Son of John and Susanna of Watergate, labourer.
Only record of Baptism in Advent and area 1830/32 that is close to your man.
P S. Couple appear to have had a son, Thomas, baptised in 1832 in the name of Halls.
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Is this the marriage in 1858
Dec qtr 1858
Elizabeth Kingdon Hill
John Hole
Camelford 5c 27
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1861 living next to Jonathan & Mary Kingdon
RG9/1516 f51 p8
John Hole 29
Elizabeth 24
John 2
William Hill 52 Unmarried
all born Advent
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Trying to find the children:
Jane HOLE reg Jun qtr 1863 Camelford (5c/15) mmn KINGDON
William Henry HOLE Dec qtr 1865 Camelford (5c/12) mmn KINGDON
James HOLE Sep qtr 1867 Camelford (5c/13) mmn KINGDON
Modified to add:
John HOLE Mar qtr 1859 Camelford (5c/13) mmn HILL
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Birth registrations for first 2 children
HOLE, JOHN Mothers maiden name HILL
1859 March Quarter
CAMELFORD UNION Volume 05C Page 13
HOLE, THOMAS Mothers maiden name KINGDON
1861 June Quarter
CAMELFORD UNION Volume 05C Page 16
Later births record MMN as Kingdon
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You're quicker than me Rosie! ;)
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The children's baptisms are available on family search, including images of the parish registers, under surname HOLE. (Jane, William Henry and James all baptised 18 Apr 1869)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZK9-F2C?i=63&cc=1769414
Thomas 6 July 1862
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZK9-FGL?i=52&cc=1769414
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The children's baptisms are available on family search, including images of the parish registers, under surname HOLE. (Jane, William Henry and James all baptised 18 Apr 1869)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZK9-F2C?i=63&cc=1769414
Thomas 6 July 1862
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZK9-FGL?i=52&cc=1769414
Thomas Hall - My great Grandfather arrived in Cambridge NZ, Aged 10 with all the rest of the Hall /Hole family .
The Kingdon family arrived at the same with 6 unmarried daughters - every single man in town lined the river bank to greet them - Along with Elizabeth 2 -married daughters followed
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Elizabeth Kingdon Hill was the daughter of Mary Hill and was baptised at Advent 12 Apr 1837. No father named on baptism.
Mary Hill married Jonathan Kingdon on the same day that Elizabeth was baptised.
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1841 Census
Advent, Cornwall
John Hobe, 40
Susan Hobe, 35
Mary Hobe, 13
Thomas Hobe, 8
Sarah Hobe, 6
Henry Hobe, 4
Susan Hobe, 2
Charles Hobe, 1
Nearby;
William Hole, 45, Farmer
Elizabeth Hole, 35
William Hole, 10 mths
William Hole, 15
John Hole, 10
Sarah Hole, 75
Sarah Hoskin, 15
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1851 under HAWL;
John Hawl, 54, Framer of 52 acres
Susan Hawl, 50, born St Breward
Sarah Hawl, 16
Charls Hawl, 9
Susan Hawl, 13
Richd Hawl, 7
Saml Hawl, 3
All born Advent except Susan snr
Birth Reg GRO Index
HALL, SAMUEL, Mothers mn TRICK***
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in THE CAMELFORD UNION Volume 09 Page 49
As William from 1841 Census may be Johns Brother this may be their Parents;
Marriage;
4 June 1790, St Adwena, Advent
John HOLE to Sarah MARTYN
(FreeREG)
There is a 75 year old Sarah Hole with William and Family in 1841 Census.
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Another spelling!
Marriage;
27 June 1824, St Breward, Cornwall
John NOLE to Susanna TRICK
(Familysearch.Org)
EDIT should be WILLIAM Hole :-[
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On the death certificate of John Hall 1893 Cambridge - His mother is noted as Susan Hall - mn Ford
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1841 Census
Advent, Cornwall
John Hobe, 40
Susan Hobe, 35
Mary Hobe, 13
Thomas Hobe, 8
Sarah Hobe, 6
Henry Hobe, 4
Susan Hobe, 2
Charles Hobe, 1
Nearby;
William Hole, 45, Farmer
Elizabeth Hole, 35
William Hole, 10 mths
William Hole, 15
John Hole, 10
Sarah Hole, 75
Sarah Hoskin, 15
Just to make clear that William (15) and John (10) are described as servants ;)
There is also a FORD family next door. ;)
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Yes you are correct Maddy52 on the 1841 Census info for William Hole.
I also made a mistake on the 1790 Marriage it is WILLIAM Hole who married Sarah MARTYN.
William from the 1841 Census married Elizabeth JOSE 19 Feb 1839 Advent, his Father WILLIAM, Occp Farmer
(Marriage was under William HALL)
William was a Bachelor, so William 15/John 10 are not his children.
William HOLE Baptised 1 Jan 1795 Advent to WILLIAM/SARAH
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1841 Census
Advent, Cornwall
John Hobe, 40 I had a look at the census - I read it clearly as John Hole Looking for a marriage around 1830 to Susan Ford
Susan Hobe, 35
Mary Hobe, 13
Thomas Hobe, 8
Sarah Hobe, 6
Henry Hobe, 4
Susan Hobe, 2
Charles Hobe, 1
Nearby;
William Hole, 45, Farmer
Elizabeth Hole, 35
William Hole, 10 mths
William Hole, 15
John Hole, 10
Sarah Hole, 75
Sarah Hoskin, 15
Just to make clear that William (15) and John (10) are described as servants ;)
There is also a FORD family next door. ;)
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Yes, I agree - definitely HOLE. :)
There is a Richard and Mary FORD at "Trehane" Lesnewth in 1841:
Richard Ford 57 (farmer)
Mary Ford 57
Samuel Wite 20
Richard Ham 13
Richard Hawk 6
Elizabeth Hole 14
Elizabeth Martin 15
HO107/140/9 pg 12
and at Treneglos in 1851:
Richard Ford 68 Senbruer [?- maybe St Breward?], Cornwall
Mary Ford 68 Senbruer
HO107/1899 / 113 pg 7
They have a child Susannah baptised at St Breward 15 Nov 1807
A possibility for Susan FORD, though I can't see a marriage to John HOLE
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Trying to get my head around this;
John Holes 1893 NZ Death Cert his Mother is Susan FORD
We cant find a Marriage.
I cant seem to find any birth reg Gro Index post 1837 with Mothers mn Ford
Sorry I made a couple of mistakes when trying to Correct this;
Marriage;
4 June 1790, St Adwena, Advent
John HOLE to Sarah MARTYN
(FreeREG)
Should be WILLIAM Hole to Sarah MARTYN
On other posting which I cant correct, ignore " the should be WILLIAM Hole" That relates to the Marriage above.
The 1844 Samuel Hall birth reg, Mothers mn Trick is the wrong year for Saml on 1851 Census (born c 1848)
Now to confuse things more Susan is born c 1799 in 1861 Census;
Susan Hale, 62, Head, Widow, Pauper, born Langhill***
Richard Hale, 17, Son, Unm, Carter, born Advent** (1844)
Image is HOLE.
Now can someone check that Census please does it say Poughill?
If so there is a Susanna TRICK christened there 20 June 1802 to CHARLES/ELIZABETH
So are we looking at 2 couples here named John/Susan Hole or variants?
Or am I going crazy ???
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Hi Tommo50.
I loved this that you wrote;
Thomas Hall - My great Grandfather arrived in Cambridge NZ, Aged 10 with all the rest of the Hall /Hole family .
The Kingdon family arrived at the same with 6 unmarried daughters - every single man in town lined the river bank to greet them - Along with Elizabeth 2 -married daughters followed.
I could actually imagine that scene.
Did you live in Cambridge?
I am from Hamilton and My Uncle Frank Edge had the Barbers Shop there for many years.
I also have a connection to the Karls.
Trish :)
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Yes - I remember clearly some of my first haircuts - sitting on a box on top of one of Frank Edge's huge barber chairs - can still see it and smell the haircream !!
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Found this:
Susan Ford
England Births and Christenings
Name Susan Ford
Gender Female
Christening Date 21 Apr 1805
Christening Date (Original) 21 APR 1805
Christening Place POUGHILL,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Ford
Mother's Name Susanna
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Sorry to go off track here Tommo50 but are there any Edge family members still living in Cambridge area?
Franks wife Madge (Margaret) was my Fathers sister.
They were orphaned young and I think the Karl family brought up my Father.
Anyhow I would love to contact any Edges that are still around of you know any.
Trish :)
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Sorry to go off track here Tommo50 but are there any Edge family members still living in Cambridge area?
Franks wife Madge (Margaret) was my Fathers sister.
They were orphaned young and I think the Karl family brought up my Father.
Anyhow I would love to contact any Edges that are still around of you know any.
Trish :)
Gary Edge is still on St Kilda Rd Cambridge I believe . He has a horse agistment farm. My Grandfather used to hand out the saddle cloth's at Te Rapa races 1960's- Gary was always his favourite jockey .
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Thanks, will write to him :)
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There is also a FORD family next door. ;)
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Who were the Fords next door ?
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There is also a FORD family next door. ;)
Who were the Fords next door ?
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Got this family at Kenningstock 1841 census
George Ford aged 40 - miller
Sarah 35
Mary 15
Jane 13
Anne 11
George 9
Sarah 7
William 4
John 2
Neighbours at Kenningstock are
Thomas Hole 35 Farmer
Anne 30
William 3
Henry 1
And at Trecarne
William Hole 45 Farmer
Elizabeth 35
William 10mths
William 15
John 10
Sarah 75
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Yes, they are the family I noted earlier. :)
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So looking for other Ford family in the area . Siblings of George born around 1800
Also trying to tie together the Hole family. In Advent 1841
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Found this:
Susan Ford
England Births and Christenings
Name Susan Ford
Gender Female
Christening Date 21 Apr 1805
Christening Date (Original) 21 APR 1805
Christening Place POUGHILL,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Ford
Mother's Name Susanna
I believe that this Susan (or Susannah ) Ford married a Robert Stapleton 9 Aug 1828
She shows in 1841 census as his wife born in Poughill.
Still looking for Susan Ford near Advent - I have been tracking the Ford families in the area without success as yet !
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1841 Census
Advent, Cornwall
John Hobe, 40
Susan Hobe, 35
Mary Hobe, 13
Thomas Hobe, 8
Sarah Hobe, 6
Henry Hobe, 4
Susan Hobe, 2
Charles Hobe, 1
Been trying to find the birth registrations for Susan (c1839) and Charles (c1840) HOLE to discover mother's maiden name (to verify or discount as FORD), but no luck. Can anyone else see them?
I think this is Charles in 1871 at Lanteglos (farm labourer) GBC/1871/2219/0095
and in 1881 at Lanteglos (farm labourer) RG11/2273/43 pg 9
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John Hall's death certificate - Attached -24th Feb 1893 has his parents noted as John Hall and Susan ,maiden name , Ford
The informant was his son William Henry Hall
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1851 under HAWL;
John Hawl, 54, Farmer of 52 acres
Susan Hawl, 50, born St Breward
Sarah Hawl, 16
Charls Hawl, 9
Susan Hawl, 13
Richd Hawl, 7
Saml Hawl, 3
All born Advent except Susan snr
Birth Reg GRO Index
HALL, SAMUEL, Mothers mn TRICK***
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in THE CAMELFORD UNION Volume 09 Page 49
As William from 1841 Census may be Johns Brother this may be their Parents;
Marriage;
4 June 1790, St Adwena, Advent
John HOLE to Sarah MARTYN
(FreeREG)
There is a 75 year old Sarah Hole with William and Family in 1841 Census.
working off this census - we are "Desperately seeking Susan" born around 1801 - St Breward
Marrying John Hawl/Hole/Hall c 1820-25