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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: Trustach on Tuesday 02 January 18 13:56 GMT (UK)
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Hello and a Happy New Year to everyone!
I am trying to find information on the first marriage of my husband's paternal grandfather James Dickson. The information I have is as follows:-
He was born at Sinsharnie, Cairney, Aberdeenshire on 27 June 1867.
He married MaryAnn Milne On 6 June 1906 at Mains of Findochty, and is shown on the marriage certificate as a widower.
The 1901 Census for the parish of Rathven shows him at 9 Cluny Square, Buckie where he was also described as a widower.
I have no knowledge of his first wife's name & therefore cannot find any trace of his first marriage. Can anyone help please? Thank you.
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Do you have him on the 1871, 1881 & 1891 censuses?
Who is named as his parents on his second marriage certificate [or do you have his birth certificate as you have an exact date of birth]?
ADDED: 1901 Rathven; ED: 5; Page: 2; Line: 8
shows brother Arthur & sister Jane
Arthur Dickson 27
James Dickson 33
Jane Dickson 34
all born Cairnie
This seems to be the 1881 Cairnie; ED: 1; Page: 4; Line: 4; Roll: cssct1881_56 though the age for Jane is a bit awry
John Dickson 43
Ann Dickson 42
John Dickson 15
James Dickson 13
William Dickson 12
Jane Dickson 10
George Dickson 9
Arthur Dickson 7
Alexander Dickson 2
Ann Wilson 17
Elisabeth Ettles 16
James Christie 40
Peter McLachlan 22
so he must have married & been widowed between 1881 & 1901
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For the back burner:
1891 RG12; Piece: 2872; Folio: 115; Page: 45 Ellesmere Port lodging house
Thomas Ashby 41
Mary Ann Ashby 40
George Henry Cleeton 19
Samuel Esdale 23
James Dickson 20
John Woodhen 25
William Woodhen 36
George White 22
Arthur Shore 47
John Williams 34
George Henry Jones 21
Thomas Naylor 36
James Bebar 20
William Dale 23
unlikely as all the young men are navvies - why would James do that - but are all born NK [Not known]
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Having a job finding him in 1891 census. I note in 1901 he was a butcher. I wonder where he did his apprenticeship.
flst
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OK that's interesting to have an occupation. an ancestry tree gives a date of death as 1939, wonder if he left a will? Only have access to ancestry, not SP.
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No help as to who first wife was but will post anyway.........
http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/people/people_report_view.asp?REF_ID=NM039207
Sandra
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But it's surprising, Sandra, how lateral information can lead to a breakthrough - hence my own posts.
flst, his father was a farmer of 125 acres, so perhaps he learned his trade at home?
Interesting that the newspaper articles on Sandra's link only start in 1906, so perhaps he was living away when he was married first time?
ADDED: Anyone have access to valuation rolls for Aberdeen/Moray in the 1890s? Might show where he was living/working.
ADDED 2:
http://www.buckieheritage.org/pdf/1881_1897.pdf
scroll down to Aug 26 1897 [p 67]
"Dickson opened a butcher shop on East Church Street"
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A middle name might have helped as well :-\ 118 marriages 1891 - 1901 :-\
Sandra
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;D ;D the people we are looking for rarely have middle names. His mother's maiden name was George [from baptism on ANCESTRY]
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josey
Yes you access scotlandspeople.
Anyone can log on to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
You do not have to subscribe as it's a pay to view site.
flst
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Given that his father was not a butcher I think it highly unlikely that he learned the trade at home.:)
flst
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OK thanks, looked at the valuation roll free indexes but didn't see anything likely for him or Arthur [who was also a butcher on the 1901]. It would be so good to find where James was living in 1891l
Some farmers do butcher - our local farmer takes his animals to a local abattoir then brings the carcasses home to butcher. But it's not common so it would be lovely to find James as an apprentice somewhere.
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His brother John was also a butcher, in Banff. His sister Jane lived with him. Their father was visiting them in the 1891 census (which explains why he wasn't at home on the farm with his wife.)
flst
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Do you have him on the 1871, 1881 & 1891 censuses?
Who is named as his parents on his second marriage certificate [or do you have his birth certificate as you have an exact date of birth]?
ADDED: 1901 Rathven; ED: 5; Page: 2; Line: 8
shows brother Arthur & sister Jane
Arthur Dickson 27
James Dickson 33
Jane Dickson 34
all born Cairnie
This seems to be the 1881 Cairnie; ED: 1; Page: 4; Line: 4; Roll: cssct1881_56 though the age for Jane is a bit awry
John Dickson 43
Ann Dickson 42
John Dickson 15
James Dickson 13
William Dickson 12
Jane Dickson 10
George Dickson 9
Arthur Dickson 7
Alexander Dickson 2
Ann Wilson 17
Elisabeth Ettles 16
James Christie 40
Peter McLachlan 22
so he must have married & been widowed between 1881 & 1901
Hello Josey,
Yes on the 1871 and 1881 Censuses, but not traceable on 1891 Census, by which time he was probably married and living elsewhere.
We have his birth certificate D.O.B. 27/6/1867 at Sinsharnie, Cairnie. Parents John Dickson and Ann Dickson m.s. George.
Thanks for you help, will keep digging!
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His brother John was also a butcher, in Banff. His sister Jane lived with him. Their father was visiting them in the 1891 census (which explains why he wasn't at home on the farm with his wife.)
flst
Hello Fist,
thanks for your link to the 1891 Census for Banff confirming what you say, but brother James not shown as a visitor.
The mystery continues, but thanks for your help.
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I never said brother James was visiting. It was the father who was visiting!
flst :)
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OK that's interesting to have an occupation. an ancestry tree gives a date of death as 1939, wonder if he left a will? Only have access to ancestry, not SP.
Everyone has access to SP.
See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0
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I patently put in in a grammatically incorrect way :-[. I meant that I didn't have credits to pay for the results of free index searches on SP for other people.
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josey, I wouldn't expect anyone else to look up the results of an index search.
I'd inform the original poster & then it's up to them whether to follow up the lead or not :)
Kind regards,
flst