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I have found a relative who cites her place of birth on 1861 and 1871 census as Malta! 1834. A Mary Richardson.
She had a son here in England in 1853, William Joseph Edgar Newman, Sculcoates (Hull). GRO confirms maiden name for Williams mother as Richardson, Mary on the census forms. I can't find trace of her marriage to a Newman here in England either.
William, her son, appears on 1871 census in Bristol listed as son to Mary Simpson and five new Simpson kids. Presumably determined to find his mum now he is 18. So I presume her first husband died in Malta, Crimean War? She came back to Hull, gave birth to William and left him with his/her grandparents. She then went to Plymouth and married a William Simpson in 1856. She named one of her children Maria, a nod to her mother perhaps?
Its a good story but I would like to track her Maltese roots and first marriage, presumably a serving soldier/sailor in the Victorian services in the Crimea.
Whats it like trying to track Maltese relatives, can anyone give me a pointer or two. I think I've found a lot but the Malta connection has me stumped.
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You might find http://website.lineone.net/~stephaniebidmead/other%20sites.htm useful
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when WAS she born? edit..... 1834 ?
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baptism states mother as Elizabeth?
First name(s) William Joseph Edgar
Last name Newman
Birth year -
Baptism year 1854
Baptism date 25 Jan 1854
Baptism place Drypool, St Andrew
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) William private 28th regiment
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Residence Drypool
County Yorkshire (East Riding)
Country England
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1834 I,m sure
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there is this birth
First name(s) Elizabeth M
Last name Newman
Year range 1851
Place Manchester
Country England
Regiment 28th Foot
Record source GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
Volume 1028
Page 9
Record set British Nationals Armed Forces Births 1761-2005
which corresponds to
First name(s) Elizabeth Mary
Last name Newman
Gender Female
Birth year 1851
Birth place Manc'R
Baptism year 1851
Baptism date 11 May 1851
Residence Manchester, Lancashire, England
Place Manchester
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John William
Father's last name Newman
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Newman
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
looking at the original image of the census below.....Mary was born in MALTA not MALTON.
1851 census
Crowther Street, Manchester, Salford, Lancashire, England
Mary Newman Head Married Female 20 1831 Tailoress Malton, Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Newman Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Salford, England
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First name(s) John
Last name Newman
Name as transcribed John
Year 1851
Service number 2217
Rank Private
Regiment or unit 28th (The North Gloucestershire) Regiment Of Foot
Period 01/01/1851-31/03/1851
Location Manchester
The National Archives reference WO12/4457
Record set British Army, Worldwide Index 1851
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GRO records confirm Elizabeths mothers maiden name as Richardson.
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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
NEWMAN, ANN RICHARDSON
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in ST IVES Volume 14 Page 245 Order
NEWMAN, ELIZA RICHARDSON
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in ST IVES Volume 14 Page 229
First name(s) JOHN WILLIAM
Last name NEWMAN
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1849
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JOHN WILLIAM NEWMAN married one of these people
Mary Richardson, Elizabeth Bazeley, Sarah Hick, Ann Hearn
District East Stonehouse
District number -
County Devon
Country England
Volume 9
Volume as transcribed 9
Page number 407
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
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There is a Mary Richardson born 1830 in Malta, her father was in the 2nd Battalion Rifle Brigade, although further information is pretty thin on the ground - GedB
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William joseph edgar newman married my relative Eleanor Agnes Chapman born 1862, in 1884 in Bethnall Green. I am fairly certain of that. Then I checked GRO for Williams mums maiden name and found Richardson. Thats where I became a bit lost, but as I say, William joseph Edgar Newman was born in 1853, Sulcoates Yorkshire.
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How about this one?
GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
Mary RICHARDSON
1820
Malta
Regiment: 36th Foot
Regards,
Daisy
Please ignore I got my dates mixed up :-[
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Benjamin Richardson a widower aged 21+ of Bath Somerset married Sarah Babington a spinster aged 21+ of Pansbury Shropshire in Malta on 19th June 1828. The 2nd Battalion were there at this time so the birth of Mary Richardson in 1830 could be linked. - GedB
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edited......bad transcription.....ignore
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03491/2283046.pdf
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03578/2318895.pdf
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Death of WILLIAM SIMPSON in 1866
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Cork
Deceased Age at Death 49
Returns Year 1866
Returns Quarter 4
Returns Volume No 20
Returns Page No 138
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i would order the marriage i posted earlier ?
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Easy to get hooked on this family stuff, I intend to get this right. Thanks so much. I shall take a careful look tomorrow...don't want to get my 28th Foot and Mouth mixed up with my 1st Battallion Rifles and biscuits..!
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Gorton looking sunny guys....anythings possible! Worked in Manchester for ten years and developed a really bad curry/kebab habit. Best food outside of India! Nothing like it in Liverpool. Still nip back to Rusholme twice a year for a curry, wife thinks I'm nuts...she doesn't understand.
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William joseph edgar newman married my relative Eleanor Agnes Chapman born 1862, in 1884 in Bethnall Green. I am fairly certain of that. Then I checked GRO for Williams mums maiden name and found Richardson. Thats where I became a bit lost, but as I say, William joseph Edgar Newman was born in 1853, Sulcoates Yorkshire.
I am also researching William Joseph Edgar Newman and Eleanor Agnes Chapman and saw your post. Were you able to trace them back further?