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Title: The Maltese Connection
Post by: Mark Harris on Tuesday 02 January 18 17:59 GMT (UK)
I have found a relative who cites her place of birth on 1861 and 1871 census as Malta! 1834. A Mary Richardson.
She had a son here in England in 1853, William Joseph Edgar Newman, Sculcoates (Hull). GRO confirms maiden name for Williams mother as Richardson, Mary on the census forms. I can't find trace of her marriage to a Newman here in England either.
William, her son, appears on 1871 census in Bristol listed as son to Mary Simpson and five new Simpson kids. Presumably determined to find his mum now he is 18. So I presume her first husband died in Malta, Crimean War? She came back to Hull, gave birth to William and left him with his/her grandparents. She then went to Plymouth and married a William Simpson in 1856. She named one of her children Maria, a nod to her mother perhaps?
Its a good story but I would like to track her Maltese roots and first marriage, presumably a serving soldier/sailor in the Victorian services in the Crimea.
Whats it like trying to track Maltese relatives, can anyone give me a pointer or two. I think I've found a lot but the Malta connection has me stumped.
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: GrahamSimons on Tuesday 02 January 18 18:02 GMT (UK)
You might find http://website.lineone.net/~stephaniebidmead/other%20sites.htm useful
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 02 January 18 18:08 GMT (UK)
when WAS she born?   edit..... 1834  ?
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 02 January 18 18:14 GMT (UK)
baptism states mother as Elizabeth?

First name(s)   William Joseph Edgar
Last name   Newman
Birth year   -
Baptism year   1854
Baptism date   25 Jan 1854
Baptism place   Drypool, St Andrew
Denomination   Anglican
Father's first name(s)   William    private 28th regiment
Mother's first name(s)   Elizabeth
Residence   Drypool
County   Yorkshire (East Riding)
Country   England
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: Mark Harris on Tuesday 02 January 18 18:18 GMT (UK)
1834 I,m sure
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 02 January 18 18:54 GMT (UK)
there is this birth

First name(s)   Elizabeth M
Last name   Newman
Year range   1851
Place   Manchester
Country   England
Regiment   28th Foot
Record source   GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
Volume   1028
Page   9
Record set   British Nationals Armed Forces Births 1761-2005


which corresponds to


First name(s)   Elizabeth Mary
Last name   Newman
Gender   Female
Birth year   1851
Birth place   Manc'R
Baptism year   1851
Baptism date   11 May 1851
Residence   Manchester, Lancashire, England
Place   Manchester
County   Lancashire
Country   England
Father's first name(s)   John William
Father's last name   Newman
Mother's first name(s)   Mary
Mother's last name   Newman
Record set   England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

looking at the original image of the census below.....Mary was born in MALTA not MALTON.

1851 census
Crowther Street, Manchester, Salford, Lancashire, England

Mary   Newman   Head   Married   Female   20   1831   Tailoress   Malton, Yorkshire, England   
Elizabeth   Newman   Daughter   -   Female   0   1851   -   Salford, England
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 02 January 18 18:59 GMT (UK)
First name(s)   John
Last name   Newman
Name as transcribed   John
Year   1851
Service number   2217
Rank   Private
Regiment or unit   28th (The North Gloucestershire) Regiment Of Foot
Period   01/01/1851-31/03/1851
Location   Manchester
The National Archives reference   WO12/4457
Record set   British Army, Worldwide Index 1851
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 02 January 18 19:12 GMT (UK)
GRO records confirm Elizabeths mothers maiden name as Richardson.
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 02 January 18 19:26 GMT (UK)

Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:    
NEWMAN, ANN       RICHARDSON     
GRO Reference: 1849  M Quarter in ST IVES  Volume 14  Page 245   Order
NEWMAN, ELIZA       RICHARDSON     
GRO Reference: 1850  D Quarter in ST IVES  Volume 14  Page 229



First name(s)   JOHN WILLIAM
Last name   NEWMAN
Marriage quarter   4
Marriage year   1849
Registration month   -
MarriageFinder™   JOHN WILLIAM NEWMAN married one of these people
Mary Richardson, Elizabeth Bazeley, Sarah Hick, Ann Hearn
District   East Stonehouse
District number   -
County   Devon
Country   England
Volume   9
Volume as transcribed   9
Page number   407
Record set   England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: gedb2b on Tuesday 02 January 18 20:17 GMT (UK)
There is a Mary Richardson born 1830 in Malta, her father was in the 2nd Battalion Rifle Brigade, although further information is pretty thin on the ground - GedB
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: Mark Harris on Tuesday 02 January 18 20:26 GMT (UK)
William joseph edgar newman married my relative Eleanor Agnes Chapman born 1862, in 1884 in Bethnall Green. I am fairly certain of that. Then I checked GRO for Williams mums maiden name and found Richardson. Thats where I became a bit lost, but as I say, William joseph Edgar Newman was born in 1853, Sulcoates Yorkshire.
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: Daisypetal on Tuesday 02 January 18 20:29 GMT (UK)
How about this one?


GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
Mary RICHARDSON
1820
Malta
Regiment: 36th Foot


Regards,
Daisy


Please ignore I got my dates mixed up  :-[
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: gedb2b on Tuesday 02 January 18 20:38 GMT (UK)
Benjamin Richardson a widower aged 21+ of Bath Somerset married Sarah Babington a spinster aged 21+ of Pansbury Shropshire in Malta on 19th June 1828. The 2nd Battalion were there at this time so the birth of Mary Richardson in 1830 could be linked. - GedB
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 02 January 18 20:53 GMT (UK)
edited......bad transcription.....ignore
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 02 January 18 20:58 GMT (UK)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03491/2283046.pdf
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 02 January 18 21:00 GMT (UK)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03578/2318895.pdf
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 02 January 18 21:03 GMT (UK)
Death of WILLIAM SIMPSON in 1866
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Cork
Deceased Age at Death   49
Returns Year   1866
Returns Quarter   4
Returns Volume No   20
Returns Page No   138
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 02 January 18 21:05 GMT (UK)
i would order the marriage i posted earlier ?
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: Mark Harris on Tuesday 02 January 18 21:54 GMT (UK)
Easy to get hooked on this family stuff, I intend to get this right. Thanks so much. I shall take a careful look tomorrow...don't want to get my 28th Foot and Mouth mixed up with my 1st Battallion Rifles and biscuits..!
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: Mark Harris on Tuesday 02 January 18 22:00 GMT (UK)
Gorton looking sunny guys....anythings possible! Worked in Manchester for ten years and developed a really bad curry/kebab habit. Best food outside of India! Nothing like it in Liverpool. Still nip back to Rusholme twice a year for a curry, wife thinks I'm nuts...she doesn't understand.
Title: Re: The Maltese Connection
Post by: Bitzer1 on Tuesday 09 June 20 06:53 BST (UK)
William joseph edgar newman married my relative Eleanor Agnes Chapman born 1862, in 1884 in Bethnall Green. I am fairly certain of that. Then I checked GRO for Williams mums maiden name and found Richardson. Thats where I became a bit lost, but as I say, William joseph Edgar Newman was born in 1853, Sulcoates Yorkshire.

I am also researching William Joseph Edgar Newman and Eleanor Agnes Chapman and saw your post.  Were you able to trace them back further?