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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: LeighRensh on Wednesday 03 January 18 19:01 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I'm new to this so forgive me if I'm asking silly questions.
My great great grandmother was Susanna Boswell, daughter of John S Boswell.
I am wondering if anyone has any pictures/ names of the Boswell's that travelled around Staffordshire & Cheshire in the 1800's and settled in Stockport in the late 1800's/Early 1900's.
My grandad mentioned a yard that his father told him about from when he was a boy. My great grandad was John Renshaw but the story is that his grandad (John S Boswell) took him on and he was known as Sonny Boswell.
Also I can't find any brothers and sisters for Susanna (Suzie) or a wife for John on ancestry. One woman does come up but when I visited Suzies grave it couldn't be the mother that I had on my tree. Has anyone else got John or Suzie on their trees?
Thanks!
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat, it really would help us to help you if you give some indication of the approx year of birth of Susannah, and who did John S Boswell marry to have a daughter Susannah ( See you cannot locate one), and approx yob for John Renshaw?
I can see a family in 1901 Stockport with Father George 46 occ Rag & Bone Dealer with wife Susannah 39 and children including a John S aged 11 b Congleton?
Census ref RG13/3286/47/5
PS I can locate a marriage in December 1927 Stockport of a Thomas Renshaw to a Susannah Boswell?
Keyboard86
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Hi again, I will stick with this family until it is shown/proven different, was John S a John Sullivan Boswell aged 8 months b Congleton Father George 36 occ Travelling Hawker b Crewe and Susannah 26 b Shropshire with an earlier Son Samson/Sampson with loads of Lock in laws including Deborah aged 60 shown as Mother in Law in Wem, Shropshire
Census ref RG12/2123/59/12
Keyboard86
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Might as well stick to it - this is the only Sonny showing:
Sonny Boswell died age 65 in 2006 in Kent, born on 14th October 1941, so unlikely to be the correct one.
(Just checking in case he really was registered at death as Sonny.)
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Have you looked in 'Surname Interests' under 'Your Tools' below, to see if anyone else is researching your family?
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There is a marriage for a John Boswell 21,to Elizabeth Davenport 22, 29 Nov 1909 at Heaton Norris Christ Church. It doesn't mention his middle name but he was a hawker, father's name George also a hawker and witnesses were Samson Boswell and I think the other one is Leminder Boswell.
John and Elizabeth had a daughter Susannah born 1910/11.
I was going to say that the 1911 census would make it a bit clearer but I'm not sure that it does and I could be completely wrong. There seems to be two records, one for John Boswell and another for John S Boswell which is confusing me because I think they could be the same person. ::)
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There are Boswells in the Denton area which is near to Stockport.
Keep these for future reference
Burial: 27 Jun 1869 St Stephen, Audenshaw, Lancashire, England
Emma Boswell -
Age: 7 years
Abode: Dale Street, Audenshaw
Grave: P
Buried by: Thos. T. Eagar
Burial: 9 Jul 1873 St Stephen, Audenshaw, Lancashire, England
Joseph Boswell -
Age: 48 yrs.
Abode: Manchester
Buried by: J. Hornby Butcher Vicar
Burial: 1 Aug 1877 St Stephen, Audenshaw, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Boswell -
Age: 28
Abode: Audenshaw
Grave: O. 1216
Buried by: J. H. Butcher Vicar
Baptism: 24 Dec 1893 St Stephen, Audenshaw, Lancashire, England
Tyler Boswell - [Child] of Walter Boswell, Gipsy & Pamela
Born: 10 Dec 1893
Abode: No Fixed Address
Notes: P [written in margin]
Baptised by: J. W. Nicholson Curate
Heather
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I helped a 'Boswell' a while ago. He had been told that there is 'a Gypsy King buried in Audenshaw' He had been told that hundreds of people carried the body from Salford to St Stephen's. These inscriptions are related to the Boswell family.
St Stephen’s Churchyard Monument Inscriptions
In memory of JOSIAH BOSWELL who departed this life July 7th 1873 aged 48 years
In affectionate remembrance of STUDAVERES LOVELL who departed this life June 2nd 1870 aged 35 years
We saw his sinking head
We saw his dying eye
Yet joyed to think his spirit fled
To yonder happy sky
Also of YOUREGH LOVELL who departed this life 1st November 1871 aged 36 years
Also of EMILY LOVELL who departed this life 4th November 1872 aged 34 years
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It's possible that Susannah Boswell and Thomas Renshaw are the parents of your John Renshaw.
Susannah and Thomas married 1927 Dec qtr. at Heaton Norris Christ Church.
There are a couple of birth records on Cheshirebmd for Renshaw with mother's name Boswell.
I won't print them as there is just a chance they may still be living.
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
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The marriage of Thomas Renshaw and Susanna Boswell was 24 Dec 1927 Christ Church.
Thomas was 22, a bachelor, not sure about his occupation it was hard to read, think it was Slater.
He lived at 79 Bridgefield Street his father was Charles Renshaw a Grave Digger.
Susanna Boswell was 18 and a spinster. She lived at 83 Bridgefield Street.
Her father was John Boswell a Hawker.
William Taylor and Nicola Beeley were the witnesses.
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Hi! Thankyou all!
Yes my John Renshaw (1931 aka sonny Boswell) is the son of Susanna & Thomas.
There are two records mixed up for John S Boswell's marriage as When I search on ancestry I am finding the two John Boswell's as mentioned. What I'm struggling to find are susannas siblings/ John S Boswell's other children. My grandad can't recall any of their names apart from being introduced to an 'uncle daffodil' wether this was a nickname or not I do not know.
Again I really appreciate the help. And i didn't know that I could try the surname interest thing so I will give that a go! Thankyou again!
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There is a marriage for a John Boswell 21,to Elizabeth Davenport 22, 29 Nov 1909 at Heaton Norris Christ Church. It doesn't mention his middle name but he was a hawker, father's name George also a hawker and witnesses were Samson Boswell and I think the other one is Leminder Boswell.
John and Elizabeth had a daughter Susannah born 1910/11.
I was going to say that the 1911 census would make it a bit clearer but I'm not sure that it does and I could be completely wrong. There seems to be two records, one for John Boswell and another for John S Boswell which is confusing me because I think they could be the same person. ::)
The Boswell/Davenport couple had children 1912 to 1926 in Stockport, the two witnesses at their marriage tie up with the probable chidren of George/Susannah.
When/Where did Susie Renshaw die at what age?
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She left Thomas - unsure of wether they divorced before he passed. She left her son John on the steps of a chuch when he was a baby (John s Boswell cared for him) she then had another son Joe Harrison to Henry Harrison - I'm unsure of dates for Joe. But she actually remarried just before she died in 1994 to a Polish Man so she died Susanna Prystaz in Sheffield - I've been to her grave recently to check dates and her name, I have also found her death certificate on ancestry.
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:) OK thought Susannah Renshaw b 1910 became a Harrison ( Although I cannot locate a marriage) ? No mention of a later marriage, she was married from what I can see in 1939 living with Henry Harrison also married living in Sheffield?
Keyboard86
PS I would suggest checking out those Boswell/Davenport births they tie up with Susannah being born c 1910/11?
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Hi,
Do you know when John S Boswell or his wife Elizabeth died and where?
Just thinking that there will be an obituary for them which is likely to help with your search.
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Hi again, did Henry Harrison and Susannah "Adopt" the other apparent male child to Thomas & Susannah b 1935?
EDIT OK now I see in the same 1935 qtr Stockport ( but appears to be a late entry ref 10a See J'50 referring to a 1950 birth 10a 839) is a Harrison birth ( Same male name) mmn Boswell who is shown to have died January 1996 Stockport aged 60
Did Henry Harrison and Susannah have a son Henry Harrison June qtr 1936 in Sheffield, as he looks to be possibly the one shown as born 1936 in an Institution in Stockport 1939, and dies 1955 Stockport aged 19?
Keyboard86
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The marriage was in 1981 in Stockport, so quite some time before she died.
Antin Prystasz and Sussannah R Harrison
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The marriage was in 1981 in Stockport, so quite some time before she died.
Antin Prystasz and Sussannah R Harrison
That would bear out with the Widow waiting a few years to "remarry", as with one year out from the 1939, a Henry Harrison b 13th May 1907 dies Sept qtr 1977 Stockport aged 70
Anton Prystasz born 12th April 1914 died Sept qtr 1996 Sheffield.
Keyboard86
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My grandparents say that she didn't marry Henry Harrison and thier son was called Joe. The bit I'm confused about with her is that she was married for a good few years before leaving my g.grandad. She was still in Stockport with Henry. My grandparent say that she went by Renshaw until she married the polish guy in Sheffield.
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The marriage was between Antin Prystasz and Sussannah R Harrison, so the 'R' will refer to the Renshaw, possibly implying an ambiguity in her actual legal situation?
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I think that she was unable to marry Henry because Thomas was still alive .There is a death record for a Thomas Renshaw who died in 1958 at the age of 52 which more or less fits agewise.
Perhaps Henry was also still married.
I can't see a birth record for Joe under Harrison or Renshaw.
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Do you know if Henry and Susannah moved to Oldham when they set up home together?
There is a birth record that could be relevant but as he could still be living I'm not printing it.
Search Renshaw 1943 Oldham.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk
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Me neither! It's been really hard to find out things about her. There's got to be something that they didn't want to be known.
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Joe died either last year or the year before. He is burries with susanna and Henry but his name isn't on the gravestone yet.
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Hi I am certain from those birth records Henry & Susannah "adopted" James born 1935 Stockport in 1950, also had the child Henry in 1936 in Sheffield who died aged 19 in Stockport?
Keyboard86
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I'll have to check with my grandad when Susanna moved to Sheffield. Maybe that's why I'm not finding anything for Joe; as I've been looking in Stockport.
Thankyou! That gives me another angle to go at!
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Hi,
I saw the posts from LeighRensh asking for information on Susannah Boswell. She is my Grandmother. My Grandfather was Henry Harrison. My Great Grandfather was Johnny Boswell, Great Grandmother was Elizabeth Davenport. I am the Daughter of Susan Hazel who was Susan Harrison, Susannah's daughter. My mother is still living, and so is my Auntie Betty. I think Leighs Father is my cousin, John Renshaw...son of John Renshaw, my uncle. If i can help with LeighRensh search, she can contact me. I am Wendy Walker...maiden name Hazel.
Thanks,
Wendy.
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Hi Wendy! Yeah John Renshaw is my grandad and my great grandad! So are you joe Harrison’s sister? Have you got any pictures of susanna or any of that side of the family? I’m hugely interested in the Gypsy history and would love to put a face to the name.
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