RootsChat.Com
Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: JenB on Saturday 06 January 18 08:56 GMT (UK)
-
Please could I have a date for this rather nice CVD?
Is the young woman holding a book? Does this have any significance?
Many thanks for any help.
-
Hi Jen...1870s would be my guess going on the card stock but the fashion appears to be 1860s... it may be a photo album or a bible.
Carol
-
I thought 1860's but they could have the clothes for awhile.
Not sure about the book but as Carol said it could be a Bible.
-
It looks like a little tin box but could be a bible.
-
Yes my first thoughts too Al but the corners became round as opposed to square around 1870 to make them fit more easily into album sleeves. The object appears to have a clasp on the side and some embellishment on the front.
Carol
-
Late 1860s - early 1870s going by the clothing/stance. I'd think the back was 1860s too. The 1870s ones got more elaborate - but have a look here for the 1860s- early 1870s backs*:
http://www.cartes.freeuk.com/time/back60.htm
Gadget
* added - Roger Vaughan suggests that rounded corners were late 1870s :-\
-
Thanks Carol. I'm afraid my eyes aren't good enough for the box /Bible.
-
Late 1860s - early 1870s going by the clothing/stance. I'd think the back was 1860s too. The 1870s ones got more elaborate - but have a look here for the 1860s- early 1870s backs*:
http://www.cartes.freeuk.com/time/back60.htm
Gadget
* added - Roger Vaughan suggests that rounded corners were late 1870s :-\
Opinions vary Gadget...the snip is from my book on Dating old photos.
Carol
-
It's odd Carol, as you say there are different opinions on the corners. The clothing and pose is very much 1860s (why doesn't she take that bonnet off so that we can see/or not see, her ears!). The card stock is iffy - could it be a reprint of an earlier shot?
Added - on balance, early 1870s. Do we know much about the photographer. Also think it's a bible.
-
Found this:
http://www.northumberlandarchives.com/2016/07/13/john-pattison-gibson/
???
After Gibson’s death in 1912, the family shop continued to trade. It was originally opened in 1834 in 16-20 Fore Street, Hexham, by J.P. Gibson’s father, William Wilson Gibson*.
* add - died Q2, 1878
-
In 1871 described as a 'Photographer employing 1 boy'
RG10/5145/69/21
I think Jennifer might know more about him as I think she's been collecting his work for a while :)
Added - but by 1881 is a 'Chemist and druggist'
-
Many thanks to all of your for your input on this one.
Yes, Gibson also had a chemists shop. The shop was in existence until the 1970's. It's now a branch of 'White Stuff'. The ornate thingy over the shop-front in this photo http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l9w/ is still there.
From what I've been able find out he was mainly a landscape photographer, and concentrated mainly on this after the mid-1880's.
As to the date of this one, I've been checking on other Gibsons I've put up for dating, and interestingly there are three which were thought to be from the 1860 era but on what looked like 1870's cardstock.
Jim suggested that Mr Gibson might have been a bit ahead of the others re. rounded corners; possibly producing his own? :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756154.msg6058027#msg6058027
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756204.msg6058582#msg6058582
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=723425.msg5675504#msg5675504
-
I would also suggest late 1860's. 1870's was the age of the bustle & she doesn't have one.
By the late 1860's younger women were discarding the crinoline, first the 3 top hoops & then the whole thing. This left a large unsupported skirt which is what can be seen here.
As for the rounded corners it appears from other cards by Gibson that he was producing them pre 1875 when they became mainstream.
-
That is interesting...you do get some anomalies when trying to date photos don't you..but dating old photos isn't an exact science so we can expect the unexpected...I learned something today :D
I don't supposed everyone could afford to keep up with the current fashions either as clothes were often passed on or remodelled.
Carol
-
Many thanks again to everyone for their help on this one, and to Jim for his input.
I was given a nice little collection of Gibson photos for Christmas, so more to come.....
-
Very nice 8) Is there any particular reason why you have chosen the Gibson's Cartes to collect Jen ? My collection is huge and from all over the UK and I have 7 albums plus many loose ones...and also cabinet cards and postcards. I try to find named ones to trace living rellies and send them a copy.
Carol
-
Is there any particular reason why you have chosen the Gibson's Cartes to collect Jen ?
I don't just collect Gibson's photos but any by photographers in and around the Hexham area. Its just coincidental that I've been able to acquire several by Gibson recently 8)
-
Many thanks again to everyone for their help on this one, and to Jim for his input.
I was given a nice little collection of Gibson photos for Christmas, so more to come.....
What a lovely idea for a Christmas present :)