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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: YeOldeMuso on Sunday 07 January 18 12:34 GMT (UK)
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Hi, from England.
I am hoping to find someone linked to the WALKER family of Jacksonville, Florida, and Sharpsburg, Georgia.
William and Harriet WALKER emigrated from England to Jacksonville, Florida in 1919.
The 1920/30/40 census all show them at: Precinct 28, Hogan, Duval, Jacksonville, Florida.
The men of the family were Machinists in the Jacksonville Shipyards, with records up to 1988.
In 2001, a later generation moved to Sharpsburg, Georgia (details further below).
Family of William = Harriet WALKER.
William WALKER b.1871 m. Harriet WALKER (nee LUDLOW) b.1870 (both born England)
George William (son) b.1895, Woolwich, England
George William WALKER (b.1895) m. Margaret E. (b.1895, Ireland).
They had 4 children that I know of:
James A. b.1922 Duval
Georgina M. b.1924 Duval (m. Griswold SPARKS)
Francis William b.1925
George T. b.1930 Duval
Francis William WALKER (b.1925) m. Dorothy M. CROOK 1943, Baker County, Florida.
[Moved to Sharpsburg, Georgia in 2001].
They had 4 children that I know of:
William Brian (died before his father)
F. (dau)
C.J. (dau)
W. (son)
Francis William and Dorothy WALKER moved to Sharpsburg, GA. in 2001 to be close to their family, so it would appear someone had previously moved there from the original family home in Jacksonville, Florida.
Francis William WALKER died in Sharpsburg in 2014.
He was known as 'Bill', and 'Poppie' to his grandchildren.
Much of what I have found regarding Francis William and Dorothy WALKER came from an Obituary I was fortunate enough to find for Francis William WALKER in Peachtree City, GA.
This is about all I have, so any help or suggestions to find a living relative would be appreciated.
With thanks,
Pete Fisk
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RootsChat is meant for finding ancestors, rather than living relatives. Although anyone could pm you those details.
Personal details of any people known or thought to be living will be removed, in accordance with RootsChat policy, to avoid spamming and other abuses. So people here will be able to give you general tips and hints how to proceed, but not any concrete details.
You will also find more tips here:
Topic: Tracing Living Relatives
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,261434.0.html
and
Topic: Searching for living relatives and Rootschat
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,142443.0.html
You could try https://www.whitepages.com/ to see if you can match those names in the obituary of
Francis William Walker.
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Georgina M. Sparks (maiden surname Walker) 1923 - 1967
Greenlawn Cemetery Jacksonville, Duval County, Florida.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/140313066
G. F.Linwold “Lin” Sparks 1922 - 1972
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/140313065/g.-f.linwold-sparks
Sandra
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Sorry Sandra, I can't believe I made such a mistake.
Should I remove my original post???
Thanks for the advice...
Pete
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No just edit out the living children - instead of a name put initials or son/daughter of...........
The first couple I have looked for are deceased so you can leave those.
George Thomas Walker - 9 March 1930 Jacksonville Florida - 2 January 1977 Duval Florida.
Last Benefit 32223, Jacksonville, Duval, Florida.
Sandra
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OK, thanks again... I'll sort it out right now, I can't believe I didn't think of that.
Pete
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James A Walker - 7 June 1921 - 2 October 2005
Last Residence Jacksonville, 32205, Duval, Florida - SSN issued Florida - Before 1951
Listed Daily Times Obituary Index -
Sandra
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I have deleted the grandchildren etc... I am not sure how to check if the others are still alive or not. Should I just delete the ones beyond the William Brian - the one who died before his father, Frances, Connie and William the doctor?
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I think I possibly have it sorted now Sandra.
Sorry for the mistake, just shout if it still needs more editing.
Pete
PS.. thanks also for the additional information.
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Try https://www.whitepages.com/ for those children
Sandra
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Ok, thanks, I'll look into that.
Could you just let me know if I have edited the original post OK now, or is there more I need to edit out?
Thanks, Pete
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Yes, that seems perfectly fine Pete.
Sandra
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Ok, thank goodness for that!
I'll look deeper into the ones I have deleted and re-insert if needed, or as appropriate.
:-)
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FIND A GRAVE
George W Walker - 29 April 1894 - 13 October 1961
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/94616793
Margaret E Walker - 10 February 1895 - & January 1947
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/94616794/margaret-e-walker
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VVJM-QR9
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VVS3-1M1
Sandra
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Continued thanks for all your effort Sandra, I am having trouble keeping up! :)
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William and Harriet Walker were on the 1945 census
You need to be signed in to Family Search see the census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNNS-RXM
Sandra
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Ok, I'll look into that too - I'm not sure if have ever looked on there so I will have to sign up.
Thanks again. :)
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Its free to use - so quite handy.
Harriet Ludlow Walker - Passed away 1951 Duval Florida.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VVS8-SVH
William Walker - - Passed away 1946 Duval Florida.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VVSS-W9P
Sandra
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Yes, I'll do that shortly.
I'm having to take a short break right now, but will update when I get back.
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Petition for Naturalization - William Walker - Route 506 Route 7 South Jacksonville Florida - machinist born 11 February 1871 England.
Immigrated from Montreal 22 January 1919 and arrived Rouses point 22 January 1919.
First declared my intention 9 August 1923 Jacksonville Florida.
My wife Harriet born 22 July 1869 - Gloucestershire England.
I have 3 children - Florence 12 July 1891 now resides Montreal. George born 22 April 1894 resides South Jacksonville. Francis born 22 April 1895 resides in England.
Affidavits signed by Ancel K Marabel - Draughtsman - Jacksonville
Benson Drake - Engineer - Jacksonville.
Florida Naturalization - William Walker - 11 February 1871 - London England - arrives Rouses Point, New York - 3 March 1919 - William aged 54 years - machinist - resides Hogan South Jacksonville (Route 8 Box 237) Immigrated from Montreal Canada on the Delaware & Hudson Railway - last residence was Mntreal - wife's name is Harriet born Gloucestershire England - Arrived Rouses Point by rail in the state of New York 1919.
Sworn 9 August 9 August 1923.
Sandra
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Wow!, that's interesting, some things I didn't know in there! :D
Thankyou again - I have signed up to Family Search now and succesfully opened the files you sent.
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That's great - here are the links to the familysearch collections which you might find useful from time to time.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
Sandra
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US Border crossing - William Walker - born 1872 England and aged 47 years - port of arrival Montreal - married - machinist - going to Jacksonville Florida. Going to 335 Adams Street. March 1919.
Sandra
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The Montreal connection you are coming up with is of more significance than you can imagine, as for years we have lived with the rumour "someone went to Canada", but found nothing to back it up.
Now we have all this, PLUS a sister (Florence) we never even knew about, let alone in Montreal!
;D
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US Border Crossing - Harriet Walker - born 1872 and aged 47 years - port of arrival Montreal Quebec - May 1919 - last permanent address Montreal - son George - Sherbrooke Street Montreal. Going to Jacksonville FLA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherbrooke_Street
Sandra
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This is the GRO ref to Florence Harriet......
Florence Harriet Walker - Ludlow -
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in Woolwich Volume 01D Page 1196
Baptism Place: Woolwich St John, Greenwich - 5 October 1890
address 25 Charles Street - Core Maker - Royal Shell Foundry
Sandra
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1891 UK census Woolwich, London.
RG12 Piece 532 Folio 89 Page 29
William Walker 20 Born Charlton London. Shell Foundry.
Harriett Walker 21 Born Gloucestershire.
Florence H Walker 8 months Born Woolwich london
Sandra
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1901 UK census Canning Town West Ham London
RG13 Piece 1583 Folio 168 Page 33
William Walker 30 Engine Fitter.
Harriet Walker 31
Florence H Walker 10 George W Walker 6 Francis H Walker 5
Sandra
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U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., George W Walker - born 1894 and aged 25 years - Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada - August 1919 - machinist - sister Florence, 292 Ontario Street W Montreal. Also travelling wife Margaret aged 24 years. Going to Jacksonville FLA.
Sandra
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George William Walker - 1895 Woolwich, England - bachelor - 24 years - Marriage Date 14 Feb 1919 St Johns Church Weston Ontario
Spouse Margaret Elizabeth Foster - parents William Walker and Harriet Ludlow
Witnesses Thomas Foster and Lillian Wilks.
Sandra
Pete - I originally mistakenly wrote the marriage was Montreal - thanks to a very kind RootsChatter, they have corrected my mistake and it was Weston Ontario.
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Margaret E. FOSTER - I searched high and low for that marriage (England and USA), without any luck at all. I never dreamed of looking at Canada!
I never knew Margaret's surname in the first place, so that was difficult enough, let alone having to think about looking in another country altogether - and one in between England and America I had no chance!
That is so good, thank you again! 8)
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The original family hearsay went there was an Arthur WALKER that went to Canada, but we drew a complete blank on him as he has just never appeared on any searches.
Maybe now we are getting close, after all these years! :)
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Margaret E. FOSTER - I searched high and low for that marriage (England and USA), without any luck at all. I never dreamed of looking at Canada!
I never knew Margaret's surname in the first place, so that was difficult enough, let alone having to think about looking in another country altogether - and one in between England and America I had no chance!
That is so good, thank you again! 8)
Here are the details of Margaret's parents.
Sandra
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Canadian Passenger List - William Walker aged 45 years (engineer) and Harriet Walker 47 years - had been in Canada previously for 2 years - going to Montreal. 18th September 1916 on the Ascania.
Sandra
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William Walker born 1871 and aged 19 years - bachelor - 36 Rectory Grove Woolwich - married Harriet Ludlow - spinster - aged 20 years - 6 Hare Street Woolwich on 5 July 1890
Marriage Place St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich, Greenwich.
Father George Walker (labourer) and Harriet's father Frederick Ludlow (Fitter)
Sandra
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Was your William Walker born 1872 Woolwich - the one in the South Metropolitan Dist School Epsom Surrey in 1881 ???
Sandra
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There was a marriage in Woolwich - recorded Q 4 - Oct/Nov/December 1916 - Ernest C Baylis to Florence Walker - 1 d 2350 - this might be worth following up to see if it is your Florence in Montreal.
Strange Florence Harriet is described as a servant in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDC-MS1
Sandra
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Thanks for all the new stuff Sandra, you are so quick and rapidly leaving me behind - even though I have had chance to catch up! :-[
The Margaret Foster attachment is good to see - I am so out of touch as to where to find these things now as I have had a long break from all this.
As for our William WALKER being born in Woolwich - and when:
Firstly - yes, we have him at 36 Rectory Grove, Woolwich.
I see William claims to be born 11 Feb 1871 on his naturalization record, but he also seems to have noted Florence's birth incorrectly as we have it as 1890 (Q3).
I should explain there (re. Florence) - I was wrong when I said we didn't have Florence on record - sorry, I did have her after all, so we already had her details.
Of course, we could still be wrong! :-[
I don't recognise the South metropolitan District School bit, so I can't really help with that, sorry.
We actually have him registered as b.1872 in Charlton, but this is close to Woolwich so it could possibly be seen as the same.
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Re the Baylis/Walker marriage...
The Bayliss name doesn't mean anything to me, and is most confusing as we already have our Florence (again, strangely shown as a Servant!), but included at home in 1911 with her own family.
We have often wondered why she was entered as a Servant!
The address was:
43 Bethel Road, Welling, Kent.
William 40 born Charlton, Kent
Harriet 41 born Gloucestershire
Florence Harrier 20 born Woolwich (servant)
Francis Henry 15 born Woolwich
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The marriage for Florence wasn't until 1916 - looking at London Electoral Register. Florence Baylis and Henry Ernest Conway Baylis are at Mercury Road Woolwich in 1929
Doesn't appear to be any children to the couple
Sandra
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Was your William Walker born 1872 Woolwich - the one in the South Metropolitan Dist School Epsom Surrey in 1881 ???
Sandra
The reason for asking was there was also a George Walker born 1867 Woolwich on the same list as William Walker in 1881
Sandra
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Sorry, I replied to your (most clear) 'marriage' post with details from the 1911 Census.....think I'm getting tired, must be to make a mistake like that! :-[
I'll check out that marriage - I have Find My Past, so I'll do it now.
Yes, it would seem strange the wife was the servant - although equally strange in the 1991 Census I mentioned, with the daughter being noted as a servant - if this is the same Florence it seems she must have enjoyed it!
:o
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Was your William Walker born 1872 Woolwich - the one in the South Metropolitan Dist School Epsom Surrey in 1881 ???
Sandra
The reason for asking was there was also a George Walker born 1867 Woolwich on the same list as William Walker in 1881
Sandra
I'm really not sure here, I can't say either way or who is who. There were so many WALKERs in the area, unfortunately.
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1871 census - Charlton Woolwich
RG10 Piece 774 Folio 68 Page 20
George Walker 40 born Charlton Kent. Ag Labourer.
Caroline Walker 35 born Charlton Kent.
George E Walker 8 born Charkton kent.
Maria R Walker 4 born Charlton kent.
William Walker 2 Months born Charlton kent.
Rebecca Williams 62 Mother-In-Law.
Sandra
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Caroline Williams (spinster) married Geroge Walker (bachelor) 27 May 1866 - St Alphege, Greenwich, Greenwich.
Georges father Matthew Walker. (Soldier)
Caroline Williams father - John Williams. ( mariner)
Sandra
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1881 7 Acorn Street Woolwich
RG11 Piece 744 Folio 100 Page 23
Caroline Walker 42 widowed.
George Walker 14 factory hand.
Maria Walker 12
Ada Walker 7
Daniel Walker 4 born 1878
Sandra
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1901 census - 21 Henry Street Woolwich London
RG13 Piece 567 Folio 41 Page 15
Caroline Walker 66 Head. Widow.
Daniel Walker 23 Metal Fuse Maker.
Sandra
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These could certainly be William's parents and siblings! From memory we haven't gone back beyond the basics of William and Harriet's marriage (I need to check on my other computer) as our original intentions lay more toward the emigration side of things, but I am pretty sure this is all new information - so again, great, and thanks for taking all this trouble!
Basically, I took this over from my cousin many years ago (who only had the very raw basics), and never went this far back as we didn't have the facilities back then. It's only these past two days I have started back into all this, after several years.
How lucky we are these days! :)
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Going back to see if I could find anything on "Arthur Walker" you mentioned earlier.
There is a possible death in Woolwich for Caroline Walker - aged 73 years - 1d 571
Sandra
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Going back to see if I could find anything on "Arthur Walker" you mentioned earlier.
There is a possible death in Woolwich for Caroline Walker - aged 73 years - 1d 571
Sandra
Re the mystery Arthur....
My cousin found an Arthur Walker, aged 25, nationality English arriving in Quebec, Canada on 31 May 1925 aboard Canadian Pacific Line SS Duchess of Athol.
There were references for looking it up in the National Archives of Canada, but not on line - or at least, not at the time.
No other details so we couldn't tell if it is of interest or not.
Right age, but it could be anyone.
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GRO does not have a birth for Arthur Walker in 1900 - Woolwich - or mother with maiden surname Ludlow.
You can register on this site for free - it gives mothers maiden names for birth records.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
Sandra
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GRO does not have a birth for Arthur Walker in 1900 - Woolwich - or mother with maiden surname Ludlow.
You can register on this site for free - it gives mothers maiden names for birth records.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
Sandra
Yes, I heard about the GRO site just recently.
I will ring my cousin tomorrow and ask her what she can remember regarding the mystery Arthur - bearing in mind how long ago it was I'm not sure what she will come up with, but it's worth a shot.
I think, in reality, she may have got things mixed up - although she was adamant at the time that there was an Arthur who went to Canada, so who knows.
I have to close shortly, so I will leave that with you to ponder over if you feel inclined.
Thank you again for all your trouble today, I hope i haven't kept you from anything important!
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Petition for Naturalization - William Walker - Route 506 Route 7 South Jacksonville Florida - machinist born 11 February 1871 England.
Immigrated from Montreal 22 January 1919 and arrived Rouses point 22 January 1919.
First declared my intention 9 August 1923 Jacksonville Florida.
My wife Harriet born 22 July 1869 - Gloucestershire England.
I have 3 children - Florence 12 July 1891 now resides Montreal. George born 22 April 1894 resides South Jacksonville. Francis born 22 April 1895 resides in England.
Affidavits signed by Ancel K Marabel - Draughtsman - Jacksonville
Benson Drake - Engineer - Jacksonville.
Florida Naturalization - William Walker - 11 February 1871 - London England - arrives Rouses Point, New York - 3 March 1919 - William aged 54 years - machinist - resides Hogan South Jacksonville (Route 8 Box 237) Immigrated from Montreal Canada on the Delaware & Hudson Railway - last residence was Mntreal - wife's name is Harriet born Gloucestershire England - Arrived Rouses Point by rail in the state of New York 1919.
Sworn 9 August 9 August 1923.
Sandra
Message for Sandra...
Hi again Sandra, sorry to bother you again but I am trying to find my way around some of the links you sent me - basically, so I can find things myself without having to ask all the time!
Could you possibly tell me where you found the Naturalization info - was it within the FamilySearch (USA) link you sent me?
Also, the Boarder Crossing bits; I would like to see the originals etc, and hopefully from there I can look to see if there are any more bits of interest.
Thanks, Pete
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Info came from subscription site.
Sandra
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Info came from subscription site.
Sandra
Thanks Sandra - so I won't find it on within the Family Search links at all?
I have managed to find a few bits, just not the Naturalization entries you sent.
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lbf/
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Florida_Naturalization_and_Citizenship
Sandra
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lbf/
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Florida_Naturalization_and_Citizenship
Sandra
Ancestry.com....
I did manage to get close with this, but I don't subscribe so couldn't get any further.
I do subscribe to Find MY Past though, so I'll take a look in there as they may have similar records. If not, I'll go to Ancestry when my present subscription expires.
Thanks again. :)
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You would need the ancestry worldwide subscription to view US records Pete.
Sandra
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You would need the ancestry worldwide subscription to view US records Pete.
Sandra
Yes, I was thinking about changing my subscription this time too, but I stayed with Find My Past. Never mind, it will give me something to do next year! :)
I have gained a lot from everything you sent anyway and I have managed to find some of the bits from the Family Search links.
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Suppose everything can't be free, as on family search, otherwise we wouldn't need to pay for worldwide subscriptions. ;D
Did you find Arthur that you were looking for ?
Sandra
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Suppose everything can't be free, as on family search, otherwise we wouldn't need to pay for worldwide subscriptions. ;D
Did you find Arthur that you were looking for ?
Sandra
Not exactly, but I think he was possibly the James ARTHUR Foster we have - the father George William WALKER's wife - the one you found, Margaret Foster married in Weston, Ontario in 1919.
The reason I think this is - on asking my cousin again (about how she originally got the information), she revealed he MAY NOT have actually been a relative after all, and possibly just a friend.
I also wondered if - as George and Margaret (nee Foster) had a son named James A. (probably James ARTHUR, after his grandfather), the WALKER family may have referred to James Arthur Foster senior as 'Uncle Arthur'.
I doubt I will get any closer than this!