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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Teletran on Tuesday 09 January 18 20:27 GMT (UK)
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Good evening, does anybody know where to find, if they exist still, birth records prior to 1837, I am trying to find any entry for my 5 x great grandfather from 1831 and I understand some parishes may hold old records. I am trying to find records under what was then 'Middlesex' and or Westminster. Might also be under 'St John' but all are covered under Middlesex. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Kind Regards
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Hi
My suggestion?
How about telling us exactly who/when you are looking for?
ALL details of what you know will almost certainly be helpful.
Cheers!
Ray
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Thanks Ray,
William Clancy
b. 1831 (likely)
St John, Middlesex, England
Father: James
Mother: Ellen (Likely)
Not sure if there are any brothers or sisters.
1841 he was living in Great Porter Street - St Martins in the field.
Kr
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Got the full ref for 1841?
Great Porter or Great Portland?
R
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I think it is a typo on Ancestry, should read Great Peter Street.
From memory ancestry also recorded the name as Chancy. I will scan a image shortly.
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There's an Ellen Clancy, Widow in 1851 at Strutton Place, which assuming it's near the current Strutton Ground adjoins Great Peter Street
She's 50 from Ireland, a widow and keeps a stall
Also there is sister Ann Sheehan, also a widow from Ireland and keeps a stall, 35
and nephew Jerry Bryan b St Giles, Middx, 7
1479/496/7/26
St John's Westminster should be on FindMyPast
The Bishops Transcripts should be on Ancestry
However, didn't spot anything obvious
Likely to be Catholic?
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Thanks for the info Ray, yes Catholic, the Brompton Oratory was their church for a few decades. I'll look on find my past now. Cheers.
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Hi
Can't claim StevieStevieStevieStevs info, "weren't me guv" ;D
Trying to peruse St Peter Street - all tooooo grey, very pale, "1x too many sherries, Mrs Wembley" :-)
R
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Thanks for the info Ray, yes Catholic, the Brompton Oratory was their church for a few decades. I'll look on find my past now. Cheers.
Might be worth reading through this too
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=780638.0
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Thanks Steviesteve and thanks Ray for pointing out my error. I'll check that forum link now.
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A lot of Middlesex Catholic records are on FindMyPast but not the Brompton Oratory :(
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Hi,
I think the family are still in Peter Street in 1851, transcribed as CLANCA at Ancestry and CLANES at FindMyPast,
1851 HO107/1479 f.360 p.23 Westminster St John the Evangelist,
36 Peter Street
James CLAN?? Head 62 Labourer Limerick, Ireland
Ellen " " Wife 58 Co? Tipperary
William " " Son 20 " " Limerick
Daniel MULLINS Visitor Mar 35 Labourer " "
Margaret HANDRIE? Visitor Unm 28 Servant " "
I wonder if he was born in Ireland then moved to London?
Regards,
Daisy
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Thanks for the response Daisy. Williams dad James was born in Ireland but William was born in St Johns (according to the 1941 and later census's???) but this is definitely the right family, as it were. The Mullins are the witnesses at Williams wedding 7 years later. What a fantastic find. Many thanks for finding this. Don't suppose you can magic out his death date?? William was married off by the 1861 census and I lose trace of his parents. James is not stated as deceased on the Marriage cert of 1858. Sorry, I know I am taking the mick a little with the request.
Many thanks for your help.
Stephen
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A possible death for James,
James CLANCY
Dec Q 1858 Westminster St Margaret 1a 198
Age at death: 74
He seems too old but James does seem to age at a peculiar rate :)
1841 - 42
1851 - 62
death 1858? - 74
Maybe the informant on his death certificate didn't know how old he was, especially if Ellen had already died,
Ellen CLANSEY Mar Q 1857 Westminster St Margaret 1a 183
Age at death: 66