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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: Blueboy007 on Wednesday 10 January 18 20:16 GMT (UK)
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Hello everyone, I am asking for some advice/help again.
My 2 x great grandfather, Charles Clarke, was born between 1842 and 1846, but I do not know where. I have found a marriage for him to a Mary Anne Wilson,in Armagh, on 20th April 1862. The marriage certificate states that he is a Shoemaker. His father was a Peter Clarke, also a Shoemaker. Both Charles and Mary Anne are recorded as being Minors. Mary Anne's father was a John Wilson, a Carpenter.
They had children Herbert, born 27th October 1869 (died 1887), Charles Edmund, born 18th November 1871 (died 1872), Minnie Olive, I think in 1872 (my great grandmother), Charles Edmund Clarke, born 24th June 1873. then finally a Margaret Clarke on 21st May 1876 (died in 1878 in Scotch Street, Armagh). The death register for Margaret shows that she was the daughter of Charles Clarke, Bootmaker, who was present at the death.
I believe that Mary Anne Wilson died in 1877. There is a death record for a Mary Ann Clarke, in Armagh, in Q2, that gives the age at 34, which would tie in with
I have a marriage certificate for a Charles E Clarke marrying a Margaret Jane Buchan in Dumbarton on the 13th March 1906, with father listed as Charles Mills Clarke, Bootmaker, but mother is listed as Elizabeth Clarke (nee WILSON deceased) and NOT as Mary Ann. In 1911 I know that this Charles was living in Clydebank and I also know, that after help from fellow Rootschat members, that he signed the Ulster Covenant in 1912, in Clydebank. His address in Northern Ireland was recorded as 16 Scotch Street, Armagh.
My dilemma is that I have now found a Charles Clarke in the 1901 Census, residing at 16 Scotch Street, Armagh, born in 1846, who is a Shoemaker. He is living with his wife, Elizabeth, born in 1855, and children Alfred Henry Clarke (born c 1880) and Henrietta Clarke (born 1881). I found Henrietta's birth record and it shows she was born in Scotch Street with parents Charles Clarke and Elizabeth Clarke (nee Yaht). Her subsequent marriage certificate to a Robert Johnstone shows her father as Charles Clarke, Boot Merchant.
I cannot find the family in 1911.
Is it likely that there were 2 different Clarke families in Armagh who were both shoe/boot makers and I have mixed the families up? I cannot find any marriage certificate for a Charles Clarke and Elizabeth Yaht, to establish whether this is a second marriage or not.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated, thank you all.
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Alfred is registered as:
Name Unknown CLARKE
Date of Birth 1880
Group Registration ID 10677805
SR District/Reg Area Armagh
Father Charles,etc. Mother is listed as Elizabeth nee YATES.
Maureen
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Their marriage:
Party 1 Name CHARLES CLERK
Party 2 Name ELIZABETH YATES
Date of Event 28 March 1878
Group Registration ID 2629905
SR District/Reg Area Armagh
Maureen
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Hello Maureen, thank you so much for this, I really appreciate it, that gives me something to look at. Best wishes, Stephen
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Their marriage:
Party 1 Name CHARLES CLERK
Party 2 Name ELIZABETH YATES
Date of Event 28 March 1878
Group Registration ID 2629905
SR District/Reg Area Armagh
Maureen
Cert online...
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11086/8057258.pdf
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Hello Maureen, thank you so much for this, I really appreciate it, that gives me something to look at. Best wishes, Stephen
They were Church of Ireland so you can look for his first marriage on Civil Reg....
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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Thanks Hallmark and thank you again Maureen.
I have just downloaded the certificate. Charles is listed as being a widower, occupation a boot and shoemaker. Father is Peter Clarke, a Bootmaker.
So this is the right one.
Thank you so much.
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With confusion about spelling I just put the following in....one possible marriage, image not online yet
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Alfred is registered as:
Name Unknown CLARKE
Date of Birth 1880
Group Registration ID 10677805
SR District/Reg Area Armagh
Father Charles,etc. Mother is listed as Elizabeth nee YATES.
Maureen
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02888/2058063.pdf
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That is great, thanks Hallmark.
I managed to download Alfred's birth certificate too, so very happy this evening.
Thanks again for all of your help.
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Other Certs might be there too...
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Hello Hallmark. Thank you for your advice, I have found some more certificates, including the marriage of Henrietta. This has helped so much. proves a link to a Johnston family too. Thank you very much.
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Hello Hallmark. Thank you for your advice, I have found some more certificates, including the marriage of Henrietta. This has helped so much. proves a link to a Johnston family too. Thank you very much.
No problem!
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Thanks to all for your help on this, while looking for my Clarke family, I found came across some more Clarke's who were shoe/boot makers. I am not sure if they are connected to my Charles Clarke of Barrack Hill, Armagh (b c 1846) or not. I think I also found the death for Charles father Peter, who died on 23/11/1886 at Callan Street. Informant was Charles Clarke.
For the benefit of anyone else researching Clarke family in Armagh, these others were:
John Clarke b c 1866 in Callan Street, Armagh, a Shoemaker. married a Margaret Jane McBride. His father was George Clarke, a Shoemaker, b c 1846. Could George be a brother to my Charles I wonder? John and Margaret had at least 12 children. They lived in Callan Street, then Cathedral Close and finally Dawson Street.
George (Georgii) Clarke, a Shoemaker, b c 1832 who married an Ann Lennon. Could George be a brother to Charles Father Peter? They had at least 4 children, all born in Callan Street, Armagh.
William Clarke, a shoemaker, b c 1838 married an Elizabeth McCardle. Had a daughter in 1865 at Callan Street, Armagh. Is William another sibling of Peter Clarke, father of my Charles?
I hope this helps someone and thank you everyone for your help.
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I hope this helps someone and thank you everyone for your help.
That's very kind of you. :)
Maureen