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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: jonsharron on Friday 12 January 18 07:57 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help with info on a George Hughes, born 7 september 1859, Derby Road, Kirkdale, Liverpool. He married Jane Hannah Anders on 1st November 1885 at seaforth, Liverpool. I have parents listed as John hughes and Catherine Craggen but no confirmation of a marriage. Occupation of George is butcher (journeyman). I would like to trace his parents back further but I believe they may have come form Ireland, John hughes birth date being approx 1828.
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This marriage in Liverpool 1854 might be a possible https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/2DSL-4GS
Kay
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1861 RG09/2724/F75/p14
Mathew Street, est Derby
John Hughes 33 Dockgate Man Dinagh, Monaghan, Ireland
Cathern Hughes 32 Tonen, Monaghan, Ireland
Geroge Hughes 1 Bootle, Lancs
1871 RG10/3824/F56/p10
Boundary Street East, Kirkdale
John Hughes 42 Dockgate Man Ireland
Catherine Hughes 42 Ireland
Geirge Hughes 11 Bootle
John T Hughes 8 Bootle
Patrick Hughes 5 Kirkdale
The GRO birth refs confirm that Catherine's maiden name was Craggen. Both the parents were from Monaghan but the actual place name is not clear.
Emeltom
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1861 also has a visitor, Pat Hughes, widower 52 yrs from Donagh, Monaghan.
Catherine’s birthplace doesn’t look like Monaghan though.
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I thnik Monaghan and Ireland have been run together to make one word.
Emeltom
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Yes I can see that with Pat’s entry; John’s shows ‘Monaghaan’ or very similar but no mention of Ireland but Catherine’s is different again.
I can’t post a snippet of it unfortunately. It looks similar to ‘Tinen A. Maghirland’.
However, a copy of the marriage certificate would hopefully help with fathers’ names and witnesses.
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There are baptisms:
St Augustine’s
John Thomas Hughes
Birth 22nd November 1862
Baptism 7th December 1862
Parents John Hughes and Catherine Cregan
Godparents Thomas and Catherine Hughes
Our Lady of Immaculate Conception
Patrick Hughes
Birth 8th January 1866
Baptism 21 January 1866
Godparents Michael Hogan and Catherine Code.
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This is great information, thank you all very much - I will review it all tomorrow as its late at night in NZ now! This is what I have been looking for I think, it seems to tie in very nicely with the limited info I have.
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PS. If there is more to come please dont stop! Very much appreciated.
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so have you ordered the certificate for John Hughes and Catherine Cregan
Liverpool register office or registrar attended in 1854
or have you eliminated them from your research
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The marriage certificate has been ordered, I am hopeful it is the correct marriage so will have to wait a couple of weeks to find out. Definitely not eliminated from research.
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Good luck with the cert. I would think it is correct.
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1861 also has a visitor, Pat Hughes, widower 52 yrs from Donagh, Monaghan.
Catherine’s birthplace doesn’t look like Monaghan though.
I have found a baptism record for a Catherine Cregan, Dated of Baptism 21/1/1828. Parish/District MAHOONAGH/CASTLEMAHON. Could the unclear bithplace mentioned above be here? Surname spelling seems to change depending on source, could give me another avenue to look down.
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It doesn’t look like that but it has made me look again. :)
I wonder if it Tin ... then Ar Maghirland/ Ar Maghisland and should perhaps be somewhere in Armagh :-\
There is a Tynan in Armagh which is the next Catholic Parish to Donagh, Monaghan.
https://registers.nli.ie
Their lodgers, the Malins look to be from the same place and it is more clearly written, although not perfect :) Tinen Armagh Ireland.
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Thank you for all this information, I have been able to unravel a little bit more information from what has been given in all of your posts. I have spent a bit of time trying to prove or disprove the marriage certificate that I received is correct and think it most likely is correct for a number of reasons but there are a couple of things that dont match. I am very inexperienced at this research so could someone with more experience please advise me on the following:
Age in all census records have John and Catherine of the same age born 1828/9. Marriage certificate shows john being 3 years younger than catherine with age at marriage in 1854 at 21. catherines age at 24 which fits with what I have on her. Is Johns age discrepancy enough to discount the marriage certificate as being the wrong one for this research if there are plenty of other areas where a match is consistent?
I am assuming that a witness named Rose Ann Cregan is either mother or sister to Catherine, was there a protocol in those days as to which relation Rose Ann may be?
If you can help with these two questions it would be appreciated. I would attach a copy of the certificate but its over the size limit and cant upload it.
Thanks
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Hello again,
You don’t need to upload the certificate- in fact we can’t do for copyright reasons, only snippets.
You can though transcribe it with all relevant information- names; addresses and occupations etc.
Heywood
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OK, thanks. Will remember that.
Certificate says:
Date 28th September 1854, St. Augustines church
John Hughes - 21 years - Bachelor - Prof: Mariner - residence at time of marriage, Clay Shut(?), Liverpool - fathers name, Patrick Hughes (stonecutter).
Catherine Cregan - 24 years - Spinster - no occupation listed - residence Clay Shut(?), Liverpool, fathers name, William Cregan (Husbandman)
First witness name I cant decipher but looks like Francis R***h
Second witness is Rose Ann Cregan
Hope that is some help.
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There is a Clay Street
https://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/Streets1851/StreetsC.htm
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I would say you have the correct marriage.
I just found George’s baptism - transcribed as Haghes
St Augustine
George Hughes born 7th September 1859 baptised 18th September 1859
Father John Hughes Mother Catharina Creaghan
Address Derby Road
Godparent Rose Ann Creaghan
I have transcribed from Latin
There is also a baptism of a child at the same church. I assume she must have died - from Latin again.
Mary Hughes born 26 April 1857 baptised 3 May 1857
John Hughes and Catherine Cregan
Address Athol Street
Godparents Thaddeus and Elisabeth Claffy
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St Augustine's RC was on the corner of Great Howard Street and Chadwick Street. Clay Street was a little narrow street off Carlton Street, Carlton Street was off Great Howard Street near the north docks. Adjust zoom on this link if at first the map does not appear:-
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/333783/391799/13/101757
Blue
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All this information you have found has been very helpful, it has got the search going again after hitting a road block. How do I go about getting a copy of the baptism entries mentioned for George and Mary, would that be Liverpool Council or is there a better place to ask?
Thanks
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Liverpool Catholic Records - Ancestry.