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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Chris773 on Friday 12 January 18 14:06 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information on my grandfather John J Traynor. John was born in County Cavan, Ireland around 1862 but spent some time in Liverpool, England, before joining the Royal Marines in 1881. On the 1891 English census he is shown as living in Widnes, England and married to Sarah with three children, Peter John b.1886, William b.1888 and Ann b.1890. The family then disappear completely until John turns up again in the UK in 1906.
We understand that John deserted from the Marines in Australia and spent the next seven years living in the bush from the late 1890's to early 1900's, before being captured and sent back to England in chains. We have no idea what happened to John's family and it has been suggested that they may have accompanied him to Australia and their descendants could still be living there.
I would be very grateful for any information on John and his family. Thanks :)
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Strange,but going by the children-he turns up in 1901 (Widnes) as Peter TRAYNOR with the same wife and family.
The marriage 1884 has him as Peter TRAYNOR marrying Sarah KAY.
Maureen
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Childrens births in Prescot RD show mmn Kay
Marriage has John as 'Peter'
Dec qtr 1884
Kay Sarah
Traynor Peter
Prescot 8b 1049
Beat me to it Maureen ;D
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;D ;D Rosie!
So is this Peter:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-52LR
Which of the children are you descended from?
Maureen
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1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWTY-SGX
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Reading through previous posts I think we're looking for this chap who doesn't seem to be the fellow from 1891:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWLD-ZFV
Maureen
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Thank you Maureen, that would make sense ;D
Son Bernard
TRAYNOR, BERNARD JOHN mmn NICHOLSON
1909 Dec Quarter
CARDIFF RD Volume 11A Page 437
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Late marriage :-\
June qtr 1915
Nicholson Johanna
Traynor John
Fulham 1a 867
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The marriage details would be useful to confirm his fathers name.
There is a John in Liverpool in 1871 with a father Bernard (mother Bridget) ::)
RG10 / 3789 f23 p40
Deaths Dec 1874
TRAYNOR Bernard age 38
Liverpool 8b 240
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Thanks for all your help. Seems he has changed his name and carried on living in Widnes! I will contact some family members and see if I can get some more info again :)
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Is it the one that married Johanna Nicholson that you are researching :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWLD-ZFV
We don't think that the Widnes one is the same person as he can be found in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWTY-SGX
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I think you are right. John Traynor and Peter Trainer are not the same person. Thank you all for your help :)
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Don't give up ;D
Is it the one that married Johanna Nicholson that you are researching :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWLD-ZFV
also do you have his royal marine records
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Yes. He married Johanna Nicholson (my maternal grandmother) in 1906, and again in 1916. We don't know why this is. We know that he had three children with Sarah in Widnes, but had understood he went off to Australia for seven years before coming back to the UK in the early 1900's. If he was Peter Trainor after all, he would not have gone to Australia, as Peter Trainor's wife (also called Sarah) was having a baby every couple of years!
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Where did the 1906 marriage take place :-\
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I had assumed in London, but there is no record of it. The 1911 census shows them living in Hammersmith, London and Johanna's status as married. Although proof of marriage would not have been required, Johanna was a strong-minded and very religious woman, and I can't imagine her bringing up a family out of wedlock
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Do you have a copy of the 1915 marriage.
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Yes, please see the attachment
copyright image removed
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That is the GRO index. You really need the marriage certificate to progress backwards.
Just filling in gaps for those looking :)
Is this him :-\
ADM 159/66/3673
Description:
Name Traynor, John
Register Number: 3673
Division: Royal Marine Light Infantry: Plymouth Division
When Enlisted/Date of Enlistment: 08 June 1880
Date of Birth: 08 June 1861
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7777964
1881 at Plymouth Barracks age 19 bn Cavan
RG11/ 2205 f89 p17
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Yes, that's him at the barracks in Stonehouse, Plymouth
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How do you know that is your John without knowing who his father is from a marriage entry. :-\
I realise a lot may be family hearsay but that can often be inaccurate and it is always safer to try & track back from what you know.
What proof do you have that your John was married to Sarah Kay.
Do you have his RM records
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Thanks for your advice about family hearsay. I will scour through our albums and records and have another crack at him when I have more solid information.
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Just posting this in case it is yours (only because Johns children are Bernard & Bridget ::) )
1871 - London Road, Liverpool
Bernard Traynor 34 occ Tailor
Bridget 32 occ Tailoress
John 9
Margaret 7
Thomas 2
Thomas bn England rest born Ireland
RG10 / 3789 f23 p40
poss death
Deaths Dec 1874
TRAYNOR Bernard age 38 Liverpool 8b 240
Do come back to us if you get any further with this
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Thanks