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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: Dowdy on Friday 12 January 18 20:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi All
I am having serious problems trying to find certain individuals in the 1911 Census.
Here goes...
I have an Edward and Kate Dowd in the 1901 Census in Derby.
There is also -Charlotte, Mary Ellen,Maria,James,Margaret,Elizabeth,Martin and George..
1911 Census-I have Edward and Martin only.....James was in the army,Maria was married,as was Mary Ellen.
I am trying to find Kate (Catherine/Katherine),Elizabeth,Charlotte (prob married) and George.
Kate died in 1926,Elizabeth and George-no idea.
George is also a mystery as I cannot find his B/M/D Record at all.In fact the only mention of him is the 1901 Census.
I have exhausted all of my info to no avail,so I am counting on you good and great people again!
Dowdy
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Unfortunately, we cannot do look ups for the 1911 census due to copyright restrictions.
Sandra
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You are allowed to look and give reference numbers.
Debra :)
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Have you checked that she isn't with any other members of the family?
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To help in the search:
1901 census
Edward Dowd, head, 58, general labourer b Derby
Catherine, wife, 47, b Birmingham
Maria Dowd, daughter, 18, b Lincoln
George Dowd, son, 13, b Derby
James Dowd, son, 11, b Derby
Elizabeth Dowd, daughter, 4, b Derby
Martin Dowd, son, 1, b Derby
?possible - Jun qtr 1884 Lincoln vol 7a p1077 Edward DOWD and Kate FORD on same page
The FORD surname matches births for Elizabeth and Martin, but I can't match it to the earlier children.
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James is under DOUD, Charlotte and Maria were born before the marriage year.
Debra :)
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There is a family tree on Ancestry which claims that this is Charlotte here in 1911, married to Arthur OSCROFT.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWSH-T8S
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For information- link to previous thread re George which includes a previous thread too :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783858.
Previous thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=782397.0
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There is a family tree on Ancestry which claims that this is Charlotte here in 1911, married to Arthur OSCROFT.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWSH-T8S
Yes got that one.x
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Unfortunately, we cannot do look ups for the 1911 census due to copyright restrictions.
Sandra
Boooooooo ???
Any "suggestions"?
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Have you checked that she isn't with any other members of the family?
Only checked FreeBMD and Ancestry...No Records.
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The other possibility is that she's in hospital under just her initials. Although as Elizabeth is only 14 she should be somewhere.
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The other possibility is that she's in hospital under just her initials. Although as Elizabeth is only 14 she should be somewhere.
Yes I can genuinely not find these people,Especially George
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Do you have Maria’s marriage details and have you found her in 1911?
A possible lead for Elizabeth.
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I am trying to find Kate (Catherine/Katherine),Elizabeth,Charlotte (prob married) and George.
Kate died in 1926,Elizabeth and George-no idea.
You have Charlotte. You confirm her marriage to Arthur Oscroft.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWSH-T89
Here is Maria. You write that you have her as married.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7TN-DX3
Who is Lizzie Dowd, niece? Could she be Elizabeth?
Family Search is very useful too. You have to register now - probably to see the links I have given you - but it is free.
Free BMD shows a possible marriage for Elizabeth Dowd - 1919 to John W Morris.
You have Catherine snr’s death in 1926. Where did she die? Who was the informant?
Heywood
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Thanks for all of your replies.The family search website is very useful.
I reckon Lizzie is the sister of Maria.
Getting some more meat on bones now thanks ☺
Dowdy
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You would have them then except for George who is possibly not of the family and Catherine/Kate’s whereabouts in 1911. Is that right?
Do you have Catherine’s death certificate? That may help.
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Not sure whether you have Kate and Charlotte in 1881 but this looks like them.
1881 3416/58/9
Charles Smith 25 yrs
Kate Smith 22 yrs
Charlotte Smith 1 month
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I can help with Edward's background although age fluctuates:
In 1891 he's in St. Alkmund, Derbyshire with family - shown bc.1849 All Saints, Derbyshire
In 1881 he's unmarried in Nottingham shown bc.1847 Derby
In 1871 he's an inmate in Portsmouth, Hampshire - then a mariner - bc.1848 Derby (incorrectly transcribed on Ancestry as 13 when original page states 23).
1861 in Derby with family:
James Doud 35 born Ireland
Mary Doud 33 ditto
Edward Doud 15 ditto
Catherine Doud 8 born Derby
Patrick Doud 10 ditto
Mary Doud 6 ditto
Margaret Doud 4 ditto
In 1851 family are in Derby as Doud.
So, although raised in Derby, Edward Doud/Dowd was actually born in Ireland (ca.1845-6) like his parents James and Mary. Edward was the eldest child and I guess if his parents never actually told him he was born in Ireland he assumed he was born in Derby like all his younger siblings. (Brother Patrick's birth in 1850 shows mmn as Keenan on GRO Index).
Annette
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Annette,
I think this has been documented in other threads re Edward but good to have it together. :)
I posted re Charlotte and Kate because I had read in one of the threads that Dowdy supposed she was from an earlier relationship. She was and was Smith :)
Heywood
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Not sure whether you have Kate and Charlotte in 1881 but this looks like them.
1881 3416/58/9
Charles Smith 25 yrs
Kate Smith 22 yrs
Charlotte Smith 1 month
Interesting.
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From this and previous threads (with additions):
Edward DOWD m Kate FORD in Lincoln 1884
Edward DOWD b Ireland c1845 on 1911 census
Kate/Catherine (wife) b Birmingham c1854 not found on 1911 census. ?d Dec qtr 1926 Derby age 68
children:
Charlotte (SMITH) b c1871 Alfreston. m Arthur OSCROFT. In Arnold, Notts on 1911 census.
Maria b 19 Mar 1883 Lincoln. Child on 1891 and 1901 census. m William POTTER - on 1911 census.
Mary Ellen b Dec qtr 1884 Lincoln (21 Nov). Child on 1891 census. Not with family in 1901. Poss m Mar qtr 1910 Derby George DUNN or John HILL.
Catherine b Sep qtr 1886 Derby. d Sep qtr 1888 age 2
George b c1888 Derby. Not with family in 1891. Child on 1901 census
James b Jun qtr 1888 Derby (20 May). Child on 1891 and 1901 census. Joined army. Died in Great War.
Elizabeth (Lizzie?) b Sep qtr 1896 Derby. Child on 1901 census
Margaret b Sep qtr 1890 Derby (11 Jun). Child on 1891 census. Not with family in 1901. Poss m Dec qtr 1906 Derby Ernest Jones.
Edward b Dec qtr 1894 Derby. Not with family in 1901. ?dJun qtr 1895 Derby age 0
Martin b Sep qtr 1899 Derby. Child on 1901 and 1911 census
There is always the possibility that George was a cousin to the other children staying temporarily with the family in 1901.
NOTE - George is definitely not George Dowdy b1888 d1909 as he is with his parents on the 1901 census.
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Just getting back into this lark again!
Id like to thank you all as this is looking clear after quite a while out of the loop.