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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: Taylor94 on Saturday 13 January 18 09:46 GMT (UK)
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Ive been stuck at this brickwall for a few years now and still cant figure out exactly where my 5th grt grandfather was from.
I have him as born 1809 either Terrington St Clement Norfolk or 1809 Chettisham, Ely, Cambrdigeshire.
He marries Catherine Vincent 30 Aug 1830 Terrington St Clement, Norfolk and a Witness is an Ann Bonnet. John has been transcribed as Bonnell/Bonnett/Bonnet. Both are listed of the Parish.
They have the following children as far as I can see:
William Bonnet baptised 6 Jan 1833 Ely, Cambridgeshire.
John Bonnet (My 4th grt grandfather) baptised 6 Jan 1833 Ely, Cambridgeshire.
Robert Bonnet baptised 1 Nov 1835 Ely, Cambridgeshire
Ann/Hannah Bonnet baptised 8 Apr 1838 Ely, Cambridgeshire
James Bonnet baptised 1841 Wisbech, Cambridgeshire
In 1841 I have them Living in Emneth, Norfolk. Mis-Transcribed as Bennett.
John Bennett born abt 1811 - Not born in Norfolk
Catherine Bennett born abt 1811 - Born in Norfolk
John Bennett born abt 1832 - Born in Norfolk
William Bennett born abt 1834 - Born in Norfolk
Robert Bennett born abt 1836 - Not born in Norfolk
Mary Bennett born abt 1837 - Born in Norfolk (I think this could be Ann) but there is an 1841 census in Ely with an Ann Bonnett born abt 1838 living with Elizabeth Bonnett and granddaughter to an Ann Hancock nee Bonnett.
There are 2 baptisms which I think could be my John.
30 Apr 1809 Terrington St Clement, Norfolk - Parents John and Mary.
This fits the age and same place he married but there is a John Bonnot/Bonnet living in terrington St Clement on the 1841 census born abt 1809 so this could be that John and not my one.
16 Jul 1809 Chettisham, Ely, Cambridgeshire - Parents William and Ann - Listed as Bonnett/Bennett
Fits with Census saying not born in Norfolk and fits with him baptising Children there.
Unfortunately he is only on one census as in 1847 he is convicted of Sheep stealing and Exiled to Australia for 10 years. He doesn't return to England or his family as he doesn't appear on anymore census records with them.
I think he dies 1877 Australia listed as John Bonnitt but not sure.
There is also a possible 3rd baptism which I have yet to look into further
John Bonnet 30 Jul 1809 Stapleford, Cambridgeshire - Parents William and Martha.
I'm not sure which is him as I was hoping the Witness Ann Bonnet is a relation but the the John born Terrington has a sister Ann but she dies in infancy and the John in Chettisham has a sister but she marries in 1824 I think so she wouldn't be using her maiden name. The mother Ann in Chettisham dies in 1827 so this isnt her either, So she perhaps could be a cousin?
There is also family rumour of a french ancestor along the Bonnet line somewhere and this links into what the Bonnett's of Somersham, Cambs wrote in the publication 'Fenland Families'
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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When you say born Norfolk or Cambridgeshire is this from possible Baptisms only?
Is John still alive 1841/1861 Census to show his pob?
Trish :)
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Sorry I pressed enter before finishing post, I've updated it now :)
On the Criminal records he is listed born 1808 and Catherine is baptised 27 Dec 1807 Terrington St Clement, Norfolk - Daughter of Barnabas Vincent and Frances.
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So he doesnt appear after 1841 Census?
This may be the other John?
1841 in Terrington St Clement, Norfolk we have;
John Bonnot. 32, Ag Lab, born in County
Ann Bonnot, 30, not born in County
Alice Bonnot, 9
Ellen Bonnot, 7
Mary Bonnot, 4
Ann Bonnot, 11mths
1871 is your Catherine Bonnett is down as born c 1809 Terrington, Lincolnshire?
Son Robert as 1844 Ely and Daug Ann, now widowed Mrs Cross born c 1846?
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I may be blind but I cant find Catherine 1851/1861 Census.
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No I cant see him after 1841 or atleast not with his family so I assume he didn't return from Australia.
Thats the other John Ive seen which puts doubt on my John being the one born in Terrington as this John also fits.
Yes thats my Catherine, On the 1851 census she is listed as Charlott/Sharlott Bennett/Bonnett born abt 1796 Terrington St Clement, Norfolk living in Ely, Cambs. alongside children Ann, John, William, Robert and a lodger Alice Hewell/Newell.
The Ely 1861 census was destroyed in a flood so I was told.
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No wonder I couldnt find her ;D
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New GRO index
Ann Bonnett registered Ely Union 1838 mothers maiden name Vincent.
Her mother is probably Elizabeth Vincent
Mary Bonnett registered Swaffam Union 1838 mothers maiden name Vincent possibly daughter of John and Catherine.
Ann Bonnett could be a cousin
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Have you exhausted all the avenues at the Australian end? Some convict records can give details of family, or other clues.
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Ann isnt present with the family in 1841 Norfolk but there is an Ann Bonnett born abt 1837 living with an Elizabeth Bonnett born abt 1821 in Ely. A quick check shows an Elizabeth Bonnett born 1818 Ely, Cambs. Mother as Ann Bonnett which fits the Ann born 1797 Chettisham before she marries a Hancock. Ann Hancock is head of the Household which Elizabeth and Ann are in. If thats the case Anne Hancock would be Johns sister if he is the John born Chettisham and the Ann is my johns daughter.
I can only see one baptism for Ann Bonnett 1838 Ely and that lists John and Catherine as parents. So I assume this is the same record as the GRO.
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Have you exhausted all the avenues at the Australian end? Some convict records can give details of family, or other clues.
I havnt been able to find much and I'm not sure where to look. I was told that they might list parents on burials in Australia.
Someone did find that John was given ticket of leave papers in 1851 which would allow him to move about the county he was in but haven't got anything after that.
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Have you exhausted all the avenues at the Australian end? Some convict records can give details of family, or other clues.
I havnt been able to find much and I'm not sure where to look. I was told that they might list parents on burials in Australia.
Someone did find that John was given ticket of leave papers in 1851 which would allow him to move about the county he was in but haven't got anything after that.
Was he sent to Tasmania or NSW? The ship he was sent on appears to have stopped at both places. Find My Past has Tasmanian convict records. Ancestry has NSW records. There may be other places which also hold records.
Yes, depending on dates and places, Australian death certificates can give parent's names. BUT, that depends on whether or not the informant knew their names. Sadly they sometimes don't and sometimes they get it wrong. :-\
Are these the facts for your John? Transported for 10 years in 1847? Departed 8th August 1849 on the ship Adelaide, arrived 29th November, 1849? Given ticket of leave in 1851, two years after arrival? I don't know a lot about convict records, but that doesn't sound quite right. I would be double checking that is the right John Bon*et* getting his ToL in 1851.(there are a couple of other convicts with that name)
Have you asked for assistance with John on the Australia board?
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Yes, Thats him.
I havnt asked on the Australia board but thats my next thing to do.
The ticket of leave was sent to me and its a copy of the quarter sessions and says:
Tickets of Leave
County of Camden
Illawarra
John Bonnett, Adelaide.
It lists the same ship after his name, So I think it is him.
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Yes, definitely ask for help on the Australia board - there are some excellent helpers over there. :)
It sounds like the right John, but still worth double checking the source of that information. I would expect him to be required to serve more than two years of a 10 year sentence https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/convicts/tickets-of-leave