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Title: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: mamu on Sunday 14 January 18 07:11 GMT (UK)
I am looking for a Lily Stephenson born 1888 in Sculcoates or Hull, Yorkshire. She has a younger brother Cyril and a sister Gladys May. Parents were Tom and Jane. Cyril came to Australia in 1912 on the SS Osterley and lived out his life here. Gladys married a James Storry in Victoria Australia in1918 and also lived out her life here. Lily is a mystery, can anyone help me please.
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: PaulineJ on Sunday 14 January 18 07:33 GMT (UK)
Welcome,
Can you tell us the birth year of either Cyril or Gladys (or both)?
I'm having trouble pinning down a family unit with all 3 of 'em.

Thanks, Pauline
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: PaulineJ on Sunday 14 January 18 07:40 GMT (UK)
I do have a candidate family here:

1911 census https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7T4-SLR (cyril is 21y)
1901 census https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSSM-M2Y ( Gladys b 1892-ish)

 (register to view-it's free-of-charge)


1911 census https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7T3-76Z (cyril is 4y old)
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: solidrock on Sunday 14 January 18 07:42 GMT (UK)
1891 census. Lorne Street,Sculcoates.

Tom Stephenson    Head    27    Yorkshire
Jane Stephenson    Wife        26    Yorkshire
Lillie Stephenson    Daughter     3    Yorkshire
Cyril Stephenson    Son             1     Yorkshire
    
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: solidrock on Sunday 14 January 18 07:51 GMT (UK)
Maybe marriage for Tom and Jane...

Thomas STEPHENSON    married Jane FISHER   1887 Dewsbury     9b   953
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 14 January 18 08:43 GMT (UK)
I can't see the birth registration for any of the children to check whether Lily was a Lilian  :-\

Re possible marriages I found a marriage for a Tom Stephenson Jun Qtr 1884   Sculcoates 9d   233 and under this ref there 2 grooms and only  1 bride!  I wonder if Jane ? might be the missing bride??

Kay
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: PaulineJ on Sunday 14 January 18 08:48 GMT (UK)
yorksbmd to the rescue.

STEPHENSON   Tom   NICHOLSON   Julia H   St John (Newland)   Hull   HS/1/181
BARR   William   LEGGOTT   Rose   St John (Newland)   Hull   HS/1/182

Marriages Jun 1884   (>99%)
Barr    William        Sculcoates    9d   233    
Nicholson    Julia Harriet        Sculcoates    9d   233    
Stephenson    Tom        Sculcoates    9d   233
LEGGOTT    Rose        Sculcoates    9d   23[38]   
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: solidrock on Sunday 14 January 18 10:42 GMT (UK)
I do have a candidate family here:

1911 census https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7T4-SLR (cyril is 21y)
1901 census https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSSM-M2Y ( Gladys b 1892-ish)

 (register to view-it's free-of-charge)


1911 census https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7T3-76Z (cyril is 4y old)

They are the same family as in the 1891 but still can't find any births for the children.
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 14 January 18 10:53 GMT (UK)
From Yorkshire BMD there is a marriage in 1886 Sculcoates of a Tom Stephenson to Jane Baxter but I can't see any Stevenson./ Baxter births on the GRO birth index.   

Maybe the births just weren't registered  :-\
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: solidrock on Sunday 14 January 18 10:56 GMT (UK)
A couple of maybe's...

Cyril Stephenson.     Apr-May-Jun 1896, Sculcoates.     9D    158

Lilian Mary STEPHENSON.  Mar 1886   Sculcoates.   9d   157   
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: solidrock on Sunday 14 January 18 23:04 GMT (UK)
Gladys Stephenson.  Sep 1893   York    9d   37   
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: mamu on Monday 15 January 18 05:03 GMT (UK)
Thankyou everyone, Tom Married Jane Baxter ( info off Cyril's Marriage cert in Victoria,Australia .and Gladys May 's death cert also in Victoria in 1953)
 Cyril married in 1918, age is 29. He like his Father is a slater and tiler, he married a woman Jessica Nellie Haynes who he met on the boat  to Australia, she was married at the time.
His 2nd Marriage was to Grace Justina Cook, it was her 2nd Marriage.
Gladys May aged 26, married a James Storry in 1918 he died on board ship "Largs Bay" returning to UK 1939. Gladys died in Victoria, Aust in 1953.
As you can see I have info about then but Lily/Lilly/Lillie born about 1888 is hard to find.
All possibilities are welcome....thanks
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: amondg on Monday 15 January 18 05:28 GMT (UK)
There is a death recorded 1917 of Lilian M Stephenson age 21 at Sculcoates Vol 09D page 144.

A possibility
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: PaulineJ on Monday 15 January 18 07:58 GMT (UK)
So the 1891 / 1901 / 1911 where Cyril is 1y/ 11y/ 21y is the correct family unit.
Lillie is 3y in 1891 13 in 1901 and not immediately obvious in 1911.
Gladys b 1892ish is on 1901 and 1911.

No obvious birth registrations,  when accounting for maiden name.
Not even any children of the right / similar forename with a matching mothers maiden name.

So all we have to go on is Lily should be 23 in 1911, and may be in yorkshire
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: solidrock on Monday 15 January 18 09:02 GMT (UK)
Possible marriage...

Lilian Stephenson. Marriage 1907 Sculcoates. Spouse either Thomas Gibb, William Winston Loft, William Winston Toft.
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: PaulineJ on Monday 15 January 18 09:10 GMT (UK)
There's nothing to rule that in or out 100% without getting the marriage certificate (& she wed Gibb(s)).

I saw at least one other candidate marriage in YorksBMD for Hull alone.
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: solidrock on Monday 15 January 18 09:20 GMT (UK)
GEOFFREY  ROBSON GIBB. 1909  J Quarter in SCULCOATES  Volume 09D  Page 256   mmn        STEPHENSON.   
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: solidrock on Monday 15 January 18 09:26 GMT (UK)
Don't think the Gibb marriage is right, in 1911 census Lilian Gibb, 28 born Hull, Yorkshire. that would make her b 1883.
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: PaulineJ on Monday 15 January 18 10:20 GMT (UK)
STEPHENSON   Lillian   wed BRADY   Percy   @ St Augustine   Hull 1906
1911 census:  https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7PJ-9BT

STEPHENSON   Lilian   wed GIBB   Thomas   @ All Saints, Sculcoates   Hull 1907
1911 census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7T4-CKJ

BRADY looks more likely. But no proof.
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 15 January 18 11:04 GMT (UK)
Marriage, Sculcoates (All Saints), 19 September 1886
Tom Stephenson, 23, Bachelor, Slater, residence 34 Alicia Street, father Thomas Stephenson deceased, General Carrier
+
Jane Baxter, 22, Spinster, residence 59 Reform Street, father William Thomas Baxter, Fireman
wit William Thomas Baxter, Emily Baxter

Baptisms, Sculcoates St Paul
10 August 1887, Lily, parents Tom + Jane Stephenson, 5 Sydney Terrace Grange Street, father a Slater
12 May 1889, Cyril, parents Tom + Jane Stephenson, 7 Grange Villas Grange St, father a Slater
9 November 1892, Gladys May, parents Tom + Jane Stephenson, 59 Reform St, father a Slater
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 15 January 18 11:11 GMT (UK)
BRADY looks more likely. But no proof.

That's the one. 19 August 1906
Lillian Stephenson, 20, Spinster, 177 Clumber St, father Tom Stephenson, Slater
Percy was 25, Teacher, 91 Blenhiem St, father Alfred Brady, Commission Agent
witnessed by Tom Stephenson, Gladys May Stephenson
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 15 January 18 11:18 GMT (UK)
School admissions, Hornsea School
all admitted 24.9.1900
Lily Stephenson, born 24.7.87
Cyril Stephenson, born 20.4.89
Gladys May Stephenson, born 20.10.92
father Tom
address Botanic Cottage

all left 5.10.1900, "Removed to Hull"
John
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 15 January 18 12:26 GMT (UK)
Death of Jane
June 1912  Sculcoates 9d 270
Stephenson, Jane
age 47

Buried at West Cemetery, Spring Bank, 2 June 1912
compartment 71 grave 7117
Jane Stephenson
died 30th May 1912
age 47
wife of Tom Stephenson, Slater
residence 189 Clumber St

Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G96P-XZV5?i=319&cat=702378
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 15 January 18 13:04 GMT (UK)
It may be that Tom remarried. If so, a possibility.
June 1916 Sculcoates 9d 431
Dunham, Susannah - spouse Stephenson
Stephenson, Tom - spouse Dunham

Yorkshire BMD says Sculcoates Register Offices or Registrar Attended

A free index search of the 1939 Register finds a Tom Stephenson, born 1862, in Kingston-Upon-Hull C.B.
Living with Susannah Stephenson, born 1886.
Put slater in for occupation and his name pops up again.

Could be his death?
Dec 1951 Hull 2a 237
Stephenson, Tom
age 89

Burial at the Northern Cemetery, 22 Dec 1951
Tom Stephenson
died 19th
age 89
residence 6 Carrington Av

Image
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L96P-VFGX?i=779&cat=705071
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: solidrock on Tuesday 16 January 18 01:09 GMT (UK)
BRADY, CYRIL.  1907  M Quarter in MALTON  Volume 09D  Page 400     mmn   STEPHENSON.     
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: PaulineJ on Tuesday 16 January 18 09:33 GMT (UK)
Possible death for Percy Brady (husband of LILY)

Deaths Sep 1927    Brady    Percy    aged 47    Beverley    9d   109

Aside from that, I can't see a death/remarriage  for Lily, nor anything for Cyril b 1907.

Still skulking, there seems to be an obituary for Jane Stephenson (nee baxter)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLSQ-JBSC

Regards, Pauline
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: mamu on Tuesday 16 January 18 20:36 GMT (UK)
Thankyou all for your Help.

A new question please........where do I go to order certificates, presuming the numbers 9d 107 are relevant to the certificates?

Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: PaulineJ on Tuesday 16 January 18 21:02 GMT (UK)
The official (and the cheapest) site is www.gro.gov.uk

Regards again.
Pauline
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 16 January 18 22:51 GMT (UK)
BRADY looks more likely. But no proof.

That's the one. 19 August 1906
Lillian Stephenson, 20, Spinster, 177 Clumber St, father Tom Stephenson, Slater
Percy was 25, Teacher, 91 Blenhiem St, father Alfred Brady, Commission Agent
witnessed by Tom Stephenson, Gladys May Stephenson

Hi Mamu...welcome to RootsChat. For your information, Clumber Street and Blenheim Street are both one street apart off Princes Avenue....The area is know as "The Dukeries" and are still there today.

Carol
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: solidrock on Tuesday 16 January 18 23:46 GMT (UK)
Thankyou all for your Help.

A new question please........where do I go to order certificates, presuming the numbers 9d 107 are relevant to the certificates?

I think you can still get pdf copy online untill the end of January for 6 or a hard copy for 9.25.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: mamu on Wednesday 17 January 18 07:31 GMT (UK)
Thankyou everyone.
 I now need help with a death certificate for James Storry, he married Gladys May Stephenson here in Australia, was on his way back to England and died of pnemonia on board ship.
1939 possibly March, ship was "LARGS BAY he was buried at sea according to a report in the paper here.
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: solidrock on Wednesday 17 January 18 08:01 GMT (UK)
James Storry.  Occupation    Builder. Death Date    27 Mar 1939.
Probate. 05 May 1939.
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: PaulineJ on Wednesday 17 January 18 08:16 GMT (UK)
Sibne solidrock hasn't filled in the background, the information (probably) came from a database "National Probate Calendar " such as on Ancestry (or another provider).
Background info on that database is here: and at the bottom of that link gives guidance on how to get a copy of the will.

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1904
Title: Re: Stephenson family in Sculcoates,Hull. UK
Post by: solidrock on Wednesday 17 January 18 08:38 GMT (UK)
Australia, Victoria, Index to Probate Registers, 1841-1989

Series Number    304
Record Number    381