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Please will you be so kind as to help me find the children of James Mcguinness who married Katherine Leonard.Ballinloobaun Mayo.
I am missing 2/3 of them.
I have bridget,john,kathleen,mary,Michael and Patrick joseph.
Please can you help?
Many thanks
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Any particular Millennium?
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I believe he was born 1831. He been James McGuinness I don't have a date for kathleen. Sorry for delay was checking records.
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When did James and Katherine marry?
When were the children you have born?
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Annie Gertrude Lambe (born McGuinness) was born on month day 1920, at birth place, to James McGuinness and Katherine McGuinness (born Leonard).
James was born in Ballinloobaun, Mayo, IRELAND.
Katherine was born in Ballinamuck, Mayo, IRELAND.
Annie had 7 siblings.
Annie married Eugene Lambe.
Eugene was born on August 18 1918, in Lavagillduff, Monaghan, IRELAND.
They had 2 children.
Annie passed away on month day 2004, at age 83.
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Source for above
https://www.myheritage.com/names/annie_mcguinness
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Above found by simply googling Ballinloobaun Mayo
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I believe he was born 1831. He been James McGuinness I don't have a date for kathleen. Sorry for delay was checking records.
Hello,
I am confused :-\
James born 1831
How does he relate to Annie Gertrude McGuinness Lambe b 1920 :-\ in reply #4.
Have I misunderstood - could be very likely :)
Heywood
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I believe he was born 1831. He been James McGuinness I don't have a date for kathleen. Sorry for delay was checking records.
Hello,
I am confused :-\
James born 1831
How does he relate to Annie Gertrude McGuinness Lambe b 1920 :-\ in reply #4.
Have I misunderstood - could be very likely :)
Heywood
Maybe there were 2??
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That’s what I thought especially as tresario doesn’t give any time period. :-\
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That’s what I thought especially as tresario doesn’t give any time period. :-\
I just spent a minute and googled Ballinloobaun Mayo
then posted an example of what can be found.
Maybe it is them, maybe not, it is a different Century!!
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I have just found a marriage
Crossmolina, Mayo March 27th 1910
Jacobs McGuinness (James)
Father Thomas, mother Catherine Brogan
Catherine Leonard
Father Antonii (Anthony), mother Brigidae (Bridget) McGuinniss.
Sounds good but it is that date 1831 - perhaps 1881 or similar?
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Please will you be so kind as to help me find the children of James Mcguinness who married Katherine Leonard.Ballinloobaun Mayo.
I am missing 2/3 of them.
I have bridget,john,kathleen,mary,Michael and Patrick joseph.
Please can you help?
Many thanks
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
If the marriage I found in 1910 is correct, some of the children’s births may not be online. They currently only go to 1916.
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I have just found a marriage
Crossmolina, Mayo March 27th 1910
Jacobs McGuinness (James)
Father Thomas, mother Catherine Brogan
Catherine Leonard
Father Antonii (Anthony), mother Brigidae (Bridget) McGuinniss.
Sounds good but it is that date 1831 - perhaps 1881 or similar?
Possibly but then maybe the 1831 date is correct??
Could easily waste an hour looking for stuff that is wrong!!
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I have just found a marriage
Crossmolina, Mayo March 27th 1910
Jacobs McGuinness (James)
Father Thomas, mother Catherine Brogan
Catherine Leonard
Father Antonii (Anthony), mother Brigidae (Bridget) McGuinniss.
Sounds good but it is that date 1831 - perhaps 1881 or similar?
He would only have been 79 when he married so possibly him.
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;) ;D
I think we should wait for clarification.
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I am looking for Annie Gertrude mcguinness siblings. Thanks for that one, just one missing now!
Yes Annie's parents where James mcguinness and Katherine leonard.
This is the correct family, I am working off a DNA match tree, so I apologise for not been clear with the information. There is a son missing from the children list, I need his name please.
Thank you for all of your help.I
Bernie
Ohhhh..Catherine Leonard's mother is a mcguinness too..
Is she related to the other mcguinness family :o
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You could look them up on the site I gave you Irish Genealogy. However, if they were born after 1916, the records are not online apparently.
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I am looking for Annie Gertrude mcguinness siblings. Thanks for that one, just one missing now!
Yes Annie's parents where James mcguinness and Katherine leonard.
This is the correct family, I am working off a DNA match tree, so I apologise for not been clear with the information. There is a son missing from the children list, I need his name please.
Thank you for all of your help.I
Bernie
Ohhhh..Catherine Leonard's mother is a mcguinness too..
Is she related to the other mcguinness family :o
Was he 79 when he married?
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I am looking for Annie Gertrude mcguinness siblings. Thanks for that one, just one missing now!
I don’t understand this. First you say you are looking for 2/3 of the siblings and now you say ‘thanks for that one, just one missing now’.
This implies that you have found siblings on here -supplied by one of us ???
Apologies - forgot about hallmark’s reply #4
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Yes, Annie mcguinness found by hallmark.
Now on the Catherine Leonard's mom Bridget mcguinness..so many mcguinness and variations of in my matches, yet they are all different families. I was hoping I'd reached the end of the search,back to the drawing board..
Thanks all for your help its appreciated.
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Did you find the Leonard /McGuinness marriage - Catherine’s parents?
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No not yet, just putting information you all gave in my mirror tree.
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Did any die in Ohio??
Have you are clues as to where they went??
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I don't unfortunately.
Annie Gertrude and sister Sarah nelly went to London in 1950s. Annie married a Lambe.
Just my luck that the great granny would be a mcguinness too. Annie's son uploaded DNA to gedmatch..no match..hoping the cousin the original DNA match Crosby will also upload his dna. Will be able to cross reference it hopefully.
If the Gods are on my side maybe Bridget mcguinness will be from Cavan..wishful thinking tut.
Thanks again for help.
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James McGuinness married at 79 and was fathering children in his 80's??? ??? Or have I misunderstood? How old was his wife?
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My g.uncle was 87 when he had a son....
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James McGuinness married at 79 and was fathering children in his 80's??? ??? Or have I misunderstood? How old was his wife?
I've been waiting for the answer to that...
Looks like 1874 is more likely
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Crossmolina_North/Ballinlabaun/701774/
unless he's telling fibs
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James McGuinness married at 79 and was fathering children in his 80's??? ??? Or have I misunderstood? How old was his wife?
The poster believes he was born 1831 so he would have been 79 when he married on March 27th 1910 and therefor he was fathering children in his 80's....
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James McGuinness married at 79 and was fathering children in his 80's??? ??? Or have I misunderstood? How old was his wife?
I've been waiting for the answer to that...
Looks like 1874 is more likely
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Crossmolina_North/Ballinlabaun/701774/
unless he's telling fibs
Catherine's age on 1911 tallies (almost) with her age in 1901 which was 19. I think she may have noticed that her husband looked 40 years older than he claimed to be. Unless he'd found the Spring of Youth. ;D
Catherine's parents, Anthony & Bridget married 2nd Feb. 1880, Ballina district. Residence of both was Crossmolina. Anthony's father was Pat and Bridget's was John. Both were deceased.
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This may be James on 1901 Census:
Crossmolina north. Ballinabaun house 12
Catherine Mcguinness (65) head, farmer, widow
James (27) son, farmer's son, unmarried.
+ other family.
This ties in with 1911 census when he's married to Catherine.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Crossmolina_North/Ballinabaun_1_12/1573946/
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Thank you maidenstone and all,others for your help.
Ive got dna mcguinness from the north ireland to long island usa..new york, new jersey, canada,
I have them in cormeen meath.
Monaghan
Mayo
I dont know where the saying everybody got married within 5 miles of each other.comes from it certainly doesnt apply in this case.
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Birth of James McGuinness 1873:
Crossmolina District. Ballina Superintendent's District.
Parents Thomas & Catherine (formerly Brogan). Residence Bally-----. Thomas was a landholder.
This seems to be the man who married Catherine Leonard in 1910. If he's the correct one he was in his mid 30s at time of his marriage, not a septuagenarian marrying a woman 50 years his junior. ;D
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Thank you maidenstone and all,others for your help.
Ive got dna mcguinness from the north ireland to long island usa..new york, new jersey, canada,
I have them in cormeen meath.
Monaghan
Mayo
I don't know where the saying everybody got married within 5 miles of each other.comes from it certainly doesn't apply in this case.
The 5 mile saying was before young men & women had bicycles. Also before railways. :)
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If James McGuinness was related to Catherine's mother, Bridget Leonard, formerly McGuinness the priest who married them may have recorded it in the margin of the parish register. Degrees of consanguinity (blood relationship) used to be noted for marriages of cousins. Not all priests wrote it in.
Birth of Bridget McGuinness was, according to her age of 24 at marriage, around 1855/6, before start of civil registration.
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Thank you again.
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The marriage of Anthony and Bridget indicates they were from Rathmore so still the same area.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634611#page/257/mode/1up
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Birth of James McGuinness 1873:
Crossmolina District. Ballina Superintendent's District.
Parents Thomas & Catherine (formerly Brogan). Residence Bally-----. Thomas was a landholder.
This seems to be the man who married Catherine Leonard in 1910. If he's the correct one he was in his mid 30s at time of his marriage, not a septuagenarian marrying a woman 50 years his junior. ;D
Just crossed it off my "to do" list!
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I couldn't read the residence where Thomas & Catherine McGuinness lived at time of birth of James. All I could make out was Bally.
There was an older brother, Michael born 1867. The marriage may have been pre 1864. None of the 3 Catherine Brogan marriages in Ballina matched any Thomas McGuinness marriage.
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I couldn't read the residence where Thomas & Catherine McGuinness lived at time of birth of James. All I could make out was Bally.
Was a link posted for the record?
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Births of children of Thomas & Catherine McGuinness. Superintendent registrar's district Ballina.
James 1873
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03180/2166133.pdf
Michael 1867
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/births_returns/births_186/03493/2283605.pdf
John 1870
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03330/2220548.pdf
Thomas 1881
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/births_returns/births_1881/02801/2027703.pdf
Edit. I keep getting error as I did earlier with a link someone posted to this site.
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There is also Mary baptised 3 August 1876 as Mary McGuiness but registered as Maria McGiness.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03040/2114388.pdf
Crossmolina is the Registrar’s district.
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I couldn't read the residence where Thomas & Catherine McGuinness lived at time of birth of James. All I could make out was Bally.
There was an older brother, Michael born 1867. The marriage may have been pre 1864. None of the 3 Catherine Brogan marriages in Ballina matched any Thomas McGuinness marriage.
Catholic registers site is down but marriage was February 1866
Thomas Mcginnis and Catharine Brogan
The marriage is too early to be seen in full on Irish Genealogy, you would have to send for the certificate.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lc4/
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I couldn't read the residence where Thomas & Catherine McGuinness lived at time of birth of James. All I could make out was Bally.
The Townland of "Ballycorroon"
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I couldn't read the residence where Thomas & Catherine McGuinness lived at time of birth of James. All I could make out was Bally.
There was an older brother, Michael born 1867. The marriage may have been pre 1864. None of the 3 Catherine Brogan marriages in Ballina matched any Thomas McGuinness marriage.
Catholic registers site is down but marriage was February 1866
They are uploading records at the moment.....
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Thanks hallmark :)
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Thank you for all of your hard work. Is there any possibility Bridget was born in Navan Meath? I have seen it in a tree but with no records to confirm.
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Thank you for all of your hard work. Is there any possibility Bridget was born in Navan Meath? I have seen it in a tree but with no records to confirm.
Yes.
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Do you mean Bridget Leonard (nee McGuinness)?
I keep getting confused with the names ::)
She was born in Mayo
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Crossmolina_North/Ballaghamuck/1573923/
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You wanted to find the children of James Mcguinness who married Katherine Leonard.Ballinloobaun Mayo.
missing 2/3 of them.
You had
bridget,
john,
kathleen,
mary,
Michael and
Patrick joseph.
I found Ann
So my questions are....
What did you have on them ?
Did they leave Ireland?
Did you have Sources for them?
How did you know one or two were missing??
You believed James McGuinness was born 1831 Where did that come from??
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It came from a tree on a DNA match. I spotted that mcguinness, only to find there was the other mcguinness.
Two were private the others had passed,you found ann the other is sarah.
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It would seem that this McGuinness family were Mayo people- at least the records we have found.
Can you not make a connection with them other than the DNA matches?
Is there no common person yet?
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It came from a tree on a DNA match. I spotted that mcguinness, only to find there was the other mcguinness.
Two were private the others had passed,you found ann the other is sarah.
Well if it came from a tree then no proper research was done to come up with a date like that for his Birth!!
Personally I wouldn't trust it from here to the trash bin!!
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Desperate times hallmark. The DNA match is my heritage who has updated its system and produced lots of new higher matches. This one was put in a mirror tree to get mrca, lots of same surnames but no common ancestor. I spotted mcguinness in their tree and thought my search was over you gave me Annie, by fluke i contacted her son on ancestry who gave me the other missing name and his gedmatch number..no match.
Back to the drawing board..hoping all the Xmas present DNA kits people might have received are going to come up with a match closer than 4th cousin...I'll not hold my breath. Thanks for the help.
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Desperate times hallmark. The DNA match is my heritage who has updated its system and produced lots of new higher matches. This one was put in a mirror tree to get mrca, lots of same surnames but no common ancestor. I spotted mcguinness in their tree and thought my search was over you gave me Annie, by fluke i contacted her son on ancestry who gave me the other missing name and his gedmatch number..no match.
Back to the drawing board..hoping all the Xmas present DNA kits people might have received are going to come up with a match closer than 4th cousin...I'll not hold my breath. Thanks for the help.
Yes, that is why you are better off dealing in the facts that you have and building it from there.
Nailing 2 or 3 trees together in the hope that they grow together most often results in failure and complete confusion.
If you take the original snippet I posted..... How accurate is it?
The statement of 7 siblings.....True or False??
Anyone trying to help you by trying to find a name could be completely wasting their time.
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True..So not a waste of time. They still belong in the tree,they are a cousin match still. Just me barking up the wrong tree and jumping to conclusions seeing a name.
I am looking for an unknown birth father, there is no choice than to build mirror trees from DNA matches and try and find a common ancestor. I appreciate any help i am given.
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They might belong on tree but in correct places and correct dates!!