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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: JanPennington on Sunday 14 January 18 22:03 GMT (UK)
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Hi
This my first foray into searching American Records and I would appreciate some ideas od=f where to look.
My ancestors are British but in tracing my 3Xgreat grand aunt Eliza Moss and her husband Thomas I found that sometime between the Uk census in 1841 and the US census 1850 they migrated from Wiltshire, England to New York County. I haven't yet found out exactly when they arrived and it may be that they did not all travel together. That is something I am following up.
I have however found from online trees that two sons died within a few weeks of each other in prison camps. Apparently they both volunteered in New York Regiments.
Edgar Stanmore Moss born in 1835 Malmesbury, Wiltshire
died in Oct 1864 in Charleston, South Carolina of yellow fever
William Stanley Moss born approx 1822 in Malmesbury
died in Sep `864 in Andersonville, Georgia of starvation.
Before I add these details to my tree I would like to confirm their deaths and other military information. Please could anyone suggest where I can look for records?
Thanks
Jan
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FIND A GRAVE
Lieut Edgar S. Moss - Beaufort National Cemetery Beaufort, Beaufort County, South Carolina.
2nd Lieutenant, Co. M, 7th NY Heavy Artillery.
Enlisted into Co. C as a Private 8 Aug `62 at Albany, NY at age 26.
Promoted to Corporal 18 Aug `62;
to Sergeant 5 Jan `63; to QM Sgt 5 Sept `63;
to Regimental QM Sgt 2 Dec `63.
Commissioned 2nd Lieutenant of Co. M 15 Feb `64.
Captured 16 June `64 at Petersburg, VA.
Died 4 Oct 1864 of Yellow Fever at Charleston, SC.
Marked as E. S. Moses.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/9570452
Sandra
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1850 US census Venice, Cayuga, New York.
Thomas Morse 60 Eliza Morse 54
Henry Morse 30 William Morse 24
Edgar Morse 14 Rosa J Morse 10
Frederick Morse 8
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DZV3-TWS?i=25&cc=1401638
Sandra
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U.S., Civil War Soldier Records and Profiles, 1861-1865 - Edgar S Moss - born 1836 - private - enlisted Albany NY - Was POW - Did not survive the war.
Promoted to Full Corporal on 18 Aug 1862.Enlisted in Company C, New York 7th Heavy Artillery Regiment on 09 Aug 1862. Promoted to Full Qtr Master Serg on 02 Dec 1863. Promoted to Full Sergeant on 05 Jan 1863. Promoted to Full Qtr Master Serg on 05 Sep 1863.Promoted to Full 2nd Lieutenant on 15 Feb 1864. Mustered out on 04 Oct 1864 at Charleston, SC.
Source- New York: Report of the Adjutant-General Carnival of Blood - Civil War Ordeal of 7th NY Heavy Artillery.
Sandra
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U.S., Burial Registers, Military Posts and National Cemeteries, 1862-1960 - Cpl William Stanley Moss - 7 NY Art - enlistment location - Locke, New York - 2 January 1864
Died 13 september 1864 at Andersonville as a prisoner of war - died of scorbutus
Burial Andersonville National Cemetery Georgia Grave Site 8711 - 13 September 1864.
Sandra
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New York, Town Clerks' Registers of Men Who Served in the Civil War, ca 1861-1865
Locke - Cayuuga - side served - union.
Frederick Moss born 26 July 1833 Wiltshire England - father Thomas Moss Mother Eliza Lea -
residence place Moravia - enlisted 1 August 1862 - Regiment 111th Regiment - I Company -
married.
FIND A GRAVE
Frederick T. Moss - 26 July 1832 - spouse Mary Moss -
Burial Woodland Cemetery Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
Plot Section - 72. Tier - 04. Grave - 03.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/114814556
spouse Mary Hamilton Moss - 4 January 1831 -
Burial -Woodland Cemetery Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
Plot Section - 72. Tier - 04. Grave - 03
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/114820084/mary-moss
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9Z5-J7CY?i=69&cc=2128172
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F6CM-52W
Sandra
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1880 census Westfield, Medina, Ohio.
Frederick Moss 44 born England. Farmer.
Mary Moss 44 born New York
Lewellin Rowley 17 step-son
Ester M. Rowley 15 step-daughter
Sandra
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Thanks for all that information Sandra.
The census record is theirs and there are other censuses which show Thomas living with his married daughter Rosa.
I tried looking on Find a Grave but without success so thanks for Edgar's grave details and William's death. The tree I saw online said he died of starvation but could well be a mis-transcription.
I know very little about the Civil War and I will need to do some reading. By some strange coincidence I read novel a week ago that was set in Boston in the late 1860's and two sons of the main family had died at Andersonville in the prison.
I now need to read the information you have given me carefully and decide what to do next. These to brothers are my first cousins 4 times removed.
Thanks again.
Jan
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Frederick T. Moss enlisted for Civil War army service in the 111th Regiment, New York Infantry, July 19, 1862 at Moravia, New York, (Cayuga County) but was accredited to Locke, New York, as a private soldier. He was wounded May 5, 1864, possibly at the Battle of the Wilderness in Virginia, and spent most of June in a hospital recovering. By August 31, 1864, he had returned to duty and had been promoted to Sargeant. He was ill in the hospital in December 1864, and probably because of time lost from in the field he was reduced to Private, to be mustered out June 4, 1865 at the end of the war....................etc etc - scroll down on find a grave to read lots more
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/114814556
Sandra
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Just seen your information about Frederick. I do have birth records of their brother Frederick but hadn't followed his life through to America.
Thank you, Sandra
Jan
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Your very welcome - Pleased to have helped - ;)
New York Death Index - Rosa J. M. Wright - 2 June 1924 - Moravia, New York
certificate - 36155
Married to David Wright - 1839 - 1917
1880 census -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYB4-1KX?i=20&cc=1417683
1900 census -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-64G9-ZZV?cc=1325221
1905 census -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6943-F9N?i=13&cc=1463113
1910 census -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RJT-99J7?i=14&cc=1727033
1920 census -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRJN-6FZ?i=4&cc=1488411
Sandra
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Father Thomas Moss
1860 Census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9BS6-9XTS?i=26&cc=1473181
1865 Census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DZVK-Q2?i=44&cc=1491284
1870 census Locke, Cayuga, New York
Thomas Moss born 1792 England. Male without occupation.
Eliza Moss born 1795 England. Female without occupation.
Sandra
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Eliza living with Rosa in 1880 - Eliza seems to be widowed.
David Wright Rosa Wright
Bertha Wright Dorwin Wright
Edgar Wright Fred Wright Alton Wright
Eliza Moss aged 85 years St Mother.
Sandra
Anc tree says both are buried Indian Mound Cemetery - Moravia Cayuga - Thomas 9 September 1877 and Eliza 20 April 1884
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Frederick's marriage Cuyahoga Ohio - 19 October 1878
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XDFG-4XD
Sandra
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Those links to Census records will be very useful.
Thomas died in 1877 so yes Eliza would have been a widow by 1880 census.
I find it interesting that Thomas and Eliza emigrated in their 50's.
Jan
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Amazing how many under took the journey in the early 1800's.
Can't see Henry Moss after 1850 - ancestry tree says he died in Australia but no sources, date or info
Sandra
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I saw that Henry died in Tasmania in 1866 but haven't found migration to Australia or death record. He is in England in 1841 census with his parents. He was 21 then and might have stayed in England but I haven't yet looked for him in England - next job to do!
This branch of the family is interesting. Eliza's brother James emigrated to Canada with his second wife who he described as a "perfectionist " in a census record in the religion column. He left behind my great-great-grandmother - his illegitimate daughter whose mother was his servant. Most of my ancestors stayed in the county they were born in or only moved just over the border to the next county.
Jan
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Just found this thread and am very interested. My gg grandfather was Frederick T Moss brother of Edgar and William.
My research on this family corresponds closely to what has been posted here. I do have some documents concerning the family and maybe something to add.
Thomas Moss was christened on 12 Feb 1792 in Shipton Moyne, Gloucestershire to Thomas Moss and Mary Hillier. On 18 Dec 1817 The younger Thomas married Eliza Lea in Bristol (St. Ambrose), Gloucestershire. Eliza was born in Malmsbury, Wiltshire in 1795.
The couple had at least 7 children Ellen, Henry, Bertha, Frederick, William, Edgar and Rosa. There may have been another daughter named Martha.
The family minus Ellen and Bertha emigrated to New York State USA sometime in the 1840s. They lived in Moravia in Cayuga County by 1850.
During the American Civil War Edgar, William and Frederick enlisted in various units of the Union Army. After numerous campaigns Edgar and William were captured at Petersburg Virginia. Edgar died in Charleston, South Carolina and William at Andersonville Georgia. Frederick was captured at Hapers Ferry Virginia and was imprisoned at Camp Douglas Illinois He was later released and rejoined his unit but spent the rest of his life with bouts of dysentery. Frederick was also wounded in Virginia and suffered sun stroke on the second day at Gettysburg.
I do have more including a picture of Edgar from the book Carnival of Blood.
I know little about Eliza Lea's family but I continue looking.
Hope to hear from you.
Oh Frederick’s marriage in Ohio was his second unfortunately he neglected to divorce his first wife Eunice Huntley. Edgar and William did not marry.
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Hi
It sounds like we may be very distantly related.
Eliza Lea's, brother James Walter Lea is my 3 X great grand father. Emily Lea Witt (my great-great-grandmother) was his illegitimate daughter with his servant Ann Witt. Emily names here father on her marriage certificate. James Walter Lea and his second wife Sarah emigrated to Canada.
I think the name "Martha" is a mistake as I have found baptism records of the other children but not a Martha.
Bertha Moss, a housekeeper married her employer and their daughter, Caroline Rosa, married a Cambridge professor Charles Heycock. The Heycock's are an interesting family and I got distracted following them for a while.
Thank you your additional information about Frederick. I did wonder about the two wives. I would think after his time during the war he would have suffered some post-traumatic stress. I knew nothing about the American Civil War when I started my research but from what I have read the impact on those involved and heir families was immense.
I can send you more information about the Lea's by personal message of you wish.
Jan
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Hi Jan,
I would like to get more info on the Lea family. The only thing I have is on Eliza and her family and that in the 1841 census her brother George was listed.
By the way Eliza’s children Frederickand Edgar are not with the family in 1841. I found them in school in Shipton Moyne, Gloucestershire.
I have some ods and end documents on Thomas And Eliza and family. Because it’s not your direct line I don’t know how interested you are.
My regular email is my user name plus @sccoast.net
Steve McKay
South Carolina USA
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Hi
I will send you more information about the Lea's and how they link to me. If I send a gedcom file is that of any use to you?
All the records of Eliza's and her siblings' baptisms are in the parish records for Malmesbury - it borders Shipton Moyne, but is in Wiltshire rather than Gloucestershire.
I visited the UK (I live in Australia at the moment) last November and visited the Wiltshire History Centre and saw the lease for property on Malmesbury to James Walter Malmesbury which implied that the property had been previously leased to his father and grandfather. It was not possible to exactly work out where the property was as the street names have changed over time. I did not have long enough to study the document thoroughly - my brother is not as obsessed by family history and old documents.
I would be interested in knowing more about the Moss family in United States if you are able to give me any information,
By the way I think we are fourth cousins.
Jan
After I sell my house here I will be returning to UK and will be trying to follow up on actual records.
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Hi Jan,
We can try the Gedcom and I’ll see if I can load it.
Steve