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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: geraldine96 on Monday 15 January 18 12:57 GMT (UK)
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I have been checking civil birth records for the Enniscorthy Workhouse using Irish Geneology. All the records I have looked at start from the early 1800s. I have noticed that many of these birth records only provide the names of the mothers. Can a knowledgeable roots chatter explain why some Workhouse records don't have the father's name and 'the occupier' George Mcguire is always the person listed as 'present at the birth'.
Are these children illegitimate? Usually birth records state 'illegitimate' Are there Catholic parish baptismal records that go with the civil records of Workhouse births?
I have discovered that the entries and departures from Enniscorthy Workhouse are lost and the only paperwork you can read are the 'minutes'. These papers show that Workhouse children were often adopted or fostered by families around Enniscorthy.
Would young adolescent men and female workhouse inmates be sent to work outside of the workhouse walls as cheap labour or were they strictly confined to the Workhouse premises?
I am living in England so all the information I have found regarding Wexford is from the internet, I haven't found any websites that describe 'life' in the Workhouse at Enniscorthy but hope I'll find a Wexford based roots chatter that has all the answers. I believe visitors to Enniscorthy can do tours of the Workhouse - hopefully one day I'll manage to do this. Thankyou for any help, any links to a good website or a book on the Workhouse would also be really appreciated. Geraldine96
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=643583.0
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http://womeninhistory.scoilnet.ie/content/unit3/WomenInWorkhouses.html
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thankyou Hallmark, the workhouse description sounds even bleaker than I had imagined. Do you know if families spent the whole of their adult lives in the Workhouse or did they leave the workhouse and have to re- enter due to renewed poverty at a later date?
The extract suggests that people came and went rather than stay in the workhouse for a long time.
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The majority would be in and out...
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Some photos on this website
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Enniscorthy/
Poor Law Union Minutes Books
http://wexfordcountyarchive.com/our-collections/digital-collections/poor-law-union-minutes-enniscorthy-union/
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I have been checking civil birth records for the Enniscorthy Workhouse using Irish Geneology. All the records I have looked at start from the early 1800s. I have noticed that many of these birth records only provide the names of the mothers. Can a knowledgeable roots chatter explain why some Workhouse records don't have the father's name and 'the occupier' George Mcguire is always the person listed as 'present at the birth'.
Are these children illegitimate? Usually birth records state 'illegitimate' Are there Catholic parish baptismal records that go with the civil records of Workhouse births?
No father's name so take it that they are illegitimate.
Illegitimate isn't usually written on Civil Certs more likely to be on the baptism, although if there are a lot of baptisms from the workhouse the priest might not bother.
It should be possible to find the baptisms on the NLI site if the register survives but the site is down for maintenance today.
https://registers.nli.ie/
George Maguire would have been an employee of the Workhouse, it fairly usual to see one person over and over as informant on Births and Deaths from workhouses and hospitals.
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I have been checking civil birth records for the Enniscorthy Workhouse using Irish Geneology. All the records I have looked at start from the early 1800s. Geraldine96
They can't start early 1800's as Civil Reg for Births only started in 1860's.....
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thankyou Hallmark, chinapaddy and Sinann
Re: the civil registers i have been looking at on Irish geneology; I meant the records that have an image, i haven't worked out how to access the records that refer you to volume and page (mostly earlier records).
Sinann, will the 'Ancestry' geneology site have the Catholic Parish Baptism records or do you think the National Library of Ireland is a better source. Geraldine96
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Ancestry's RC parish records are courtesy of NLI.
In other words exactly the same set of records but they are free on NLI however easier to search on Ancestry.
Irish Genealogy will have images of all Civil Regestration hopefully before the end of the year. Civil Registration of Births and Deaths started in 1864 so there will never be any earlier.
Civil Registration of non Cathoilic Marriages started in 1845 all marriages from 1864.
Enniscorthy Parish
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0593
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thankyou Hallmark, chinapaddy and Sinann
Re: the civil registers i have been looking at on Irish geneology; I meant the records that have an image, i haven't worked out how to access the records that refer you to volume and page (mostly earlier records).
Geraldine96
Images for those that only have volume and page (mostly earlier records) will have Images eventually
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Thanks for the info Sinnan and Hallmark. That's extremely useful for everyone tryng to trace Irish ancestors.
I can look forward to more easy to access original 'images' of records; hooray! I might finally work out my Irish background...Really good info from Rootschat..Glad I turned to you for help. Thanks Geraldine96