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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: melia on Monday 15 January 18 19:39 GMT (UK)
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Hi, Not sure if anyone can help with my research, but worth a shot.
I have trawled all the online databases available on Adelaide but have drawn a blank. I live in England!
I am trying to find 4 children who it appears were entered into the asylum. This is what i have.
Solomon RICHARDS arrived on the Aurora in May 1856.
Wife Eliza (Wldon/Waldron/Walden)
children
Anna or Hannah Waldon/Waldron/Walden RICHARDS brn 1846
Fanny RICHARDS brn 1849
Robert John Waldon/Waldron/Walden RICHARDS brn 1852
Eliza RICHARDS brn 1856 (in Adelaide)
It seems about 1 month (possibly) after arriving in Adelaide Eliza gave birth to a daughter, Eliza.
Another researcher has it that the mother Eliza died 3 weeks after giving birth. I haven't been able to find anything on this death from here in England. The same researcher the has it that the 3 daughters were entered into the asylum. (19 July 1856?) Again I can't find evidence of this from here.
The researcher also says the Hannah/Anna and her brother chose to be known by their mothers maiden name which would have been Waldron or Waldon or Walden, and says maybe the other 2 girls were known by this name at some point.
From the Trove I have found 3 court articles and it seems that Solomon kept Robert with him for a while before leaving him with a Mr David Hope around the end of 1856 promising to pay for the boys keep. Mr Hope it seems couldn't afford to keep him and wanted him entered into the asylum. The court at first wouldn't do this. The 3 articles make for some sad reading.
Adelaide Times 3rd March 1857
Adelaide Observer 7 March 1857
Adelaide Times 17 March
He was eventually entered into the asylum.
I have found a marriage for Solomon after also finding another court article in the Trove.
South Australian Register 21 January 1860.
It appears Solomon married a widow (with 6 children) in May 1858 Adelaide but then deserted this wife in the August. She was petitioning for an order to protect her property from Solomon in 1860.
From here on I know Solomon married again Eliza Margaret Catherine Dormer 14 Oct 1861 in Sydney.
What a man lol.
I would dearly love to find these children in the asylum (my own proof) and what became of them as they are my link to my family (via their mother) but can fin no trace of them apart from Hannah/Anna whom i believe married a William Price then a Henry Rookley Parker (or maybe John Henry Rookley Parker). I cannot find her death though. She was living Maryborough and Millchester in Queensland at some point.
Any help much appreciated
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This suggests that there was a Robert and a John Richards
Adeliade Observer 24 May 1856 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/161258977
SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE
ARRIVED.
Passengers per Aurora
....Solomon Richards, Eliza, Hannah, Fanny, Robert, and John Richards,
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I thought that too, but looked at the passenger list - there is no John with the family :)
https://www.archives.sa.gov.au/passenger-lists-view/1856/
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Do you have Solomon's death certificate?
If he died in NSW, the certificate has provision for information about children and whether they are living or dead.
Depending on the knowledge and truthfulness of the informant, you may learn something from it.
Sue
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Do you have the 1861 marriage certificate? The NSW BDM index says George RICHARDS and Margaret Kate DORMAN, as does the marriage notice (DORMER) - though I notice George is from Bridport where I think your Solomon is also from
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article60487410
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Actually, there was another son - Thomas Hanham Budd RICHARDS birth reg Mar qtr 1855 Bridport (5a/384), however he died soon after, death reg Mar qtr 1855 Bridport (5a/362).
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Do you have Solomon's death certificate?
If he died in NSW, the certificate has provision for information about children and whether they are living or dead.
Depending on the knowledge and truthfulness of the informant, you may learn something from it.
Sue
Ah, I'm guessing this is a possibility, in Qld. Solomon George RICHARDS death reg 1911 (C2853), mother Sarah -"born England aged 88 years"
I'm assuming this is Solomon - born 25 Aug 1822, bap 25 Sep 1822 at Bridport, Dorset, parents Henry and Sarah
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3CN-S32
Although the middle name "George" doesn't appear in any of the English records I can see.
Modified to add:
Death notice here - (I note the name of his property "Allington Farm", Allington being where he was born in Dorset.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article151525963
and Margaret's death notice
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article148681759
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Do you have the 1861 marriage certificate? The NSW BDM index says George RICHARDS and Margaret Kate DORMAN, as does the marriage notice (DORMER) - though I notice George is from Bridport where I think your Solomon is also from
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article60487410
This death in QLD for a child of Solomon's third marriage shows his second name as George.
1956 B14594 Annie Eliza LINDERBERG
Parents Solomon George RICHARDS & Margaret Kate Eliza DORMER
There is record evidence of Annie/Hannah PARKER in Qld as OP has suggested.
Melia, do you need newspaper snips or not?
For example
Not an easy marriage, perhaps
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/81637462
Offers services as a ladies' nurse. 1881
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/76719104
Sue
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This death of a child of the RICHARDS/PARKER marriage in 1886 suggests Annie was using the surname PLUMB
1886 C1902 Annie Waldon Rookley PARKER
Parents John Harry Rookley PARKER & Annie RICHARDS ** late PLUMB
Sue
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Lots of hits for "S G Richards" on Trove, including an obit -
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article19681188
though doesn't mention his children (or marriages)
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It appears there were two men named Solomon RICHARDS in South Australia.
From the Biographical Index SA that sometimes has errors.....
RICHARDS Solomon c1821 DOR ENG Agricultural Labourer
arr: 1856 ship AURORA
Rel: C/E
m: Eliza b: c1818
children:
Hannah c1847; Fanny c1851; Robt J. c1853-
RICHARDS Solomon c1838 CON ENG Miner
Arrived 1857 ship MARION
m: 10.5.1858 Nth Adelaide SA
Spouse: Mary Ann nee ALLEN
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/marion1857.shtml
RICHARDS Solomon 40 Copperminer Cornwall
SA death for the widow married in 1858 ...but to which Solomon?
Mary Ann RICHARDS aged 68 d. 26 Sep 1887
Relative dec. husband Solomon RICHARDS
Ade / 166 / 17
Essie
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Well noted Essie.
I see from the "Marion" passenger list that his age is confusing (there is numbers written in every column, though I can't see "40"), but definitely from Cornwall.
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The SA Marriage record in 1858 does say the father of Solomon was named Henry.
So the BISA entry for the 'second' Solomon is definitely an error. The 1851 census has a copperminer in Cornwall named Solomon son of Solomon RICHARDS.
Essie
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This is odd.........Solomon Richards and wife Mary Ann had a burglary at their premises in Currie St Adelaide in 1863.......
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50178972
Essie
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Well noted Essie.
I see from the "Marion" passenger list that his age is confusing (there is numbers written in every column, though I can't see "40"), but definitely from Cornwall.
There is a transcription error on
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/marion1857.shtml
The age is 40 and the next numbers are the B-Index = Biographical Index of South Australia aka BISA.
Solomon is 19 years of age and from Cornwall on SA Records Passenger list for the MARION
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...I am trying to find 4 children who it appears were entered into the asylum. This is what i have.
Solomon RICHARDS arrived on the Aurora in May 1856.
Wife Eliza (Wldon/Waldron/Walden)
children
Anna or Hannah Waldon/Waldron/Walden RICHARDS brn 1846
Fanny RICHARDS brn 1849
Robert John Waldon/Waldron/Walden RICHARDS brn 1852
Eliza RICHARDS brn 1856 (in Adelaide)
... The same researcher the has it that the 3 daughters were entered into the asylum. (19 July 1856?) Again I can't find evidence of this from here.
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There is a record for children of some of these names in 1856/1857 in the Index to Cases of Destitution (GRG 28/4), available on the website of the State Records of South Australia (page 75): https://www.archives.sa.gov.au/content/register-cases-destitution#overlay-context=.
This is an index to case files held in the State Records. I'm not aware these case files have been made public, but would be available for viewing. You can contact SRSA here: https://www.archives.sa.gov.au/content/contact-us. Unfortunately, you may have to contract a researcher, but see how you go.
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The researcher also says the Hannah/Anna and her brother chose to be known by their mothers maiden name which would have been Waldron or Waldon or Walden, and says maybe the other 2 girls were known by this name at some point.
Isn't her surname WALDRON?
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Dec 1845
RICHARDS Solomon Bridport 8/54
WALDRON Eliza Bridport 8/54
1851 census shows Eliza's age as 34 and born Symondsbury, Dorset.
Baptism record clearly shows the surname as WALDRON. Attached below
SA death for the widow married in 1858 ...but to which Solomon?
Mary Ann RICHARDS aged 68 d. 26 Sep 1887
Relative dec. husband Solomon RICHARDS
Ade / 166 / 17
Essie
I doubt a 20 year old lad [and not of full age] would have married in 1858, a woman who stated in court, that she was a widow with six children.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article49896240
The marriage registration clearly describes the groom, Solomon RICHARDS FL = full age.
Marriage only lasted a couple of months :-X
South Australian Register 15 Jul 1858
NOTICE.— I will NOT be ANSWERABLE
for any DEBTS my WIFE, MARYANN
RICHARDS,of the Adelaide Hotel, may contract after
this date.,
SOLOMON RICHARDS, Adelaide.
and immediately below
NOTICE to the MERCHANTS and
TRADESMEN of ADELAIDE,— MARY ANN
RICHARDS (late Mary Ann Allen), of the ADELAIDE
HOTEL, Hindley-street, begs to intimate that she
without, the assistance of Solomon Richards) CON
TINUES to PAY READY CASH for everything she
purchases, as her practice used to be before she had the
nisfortune to marry him.
MARY ANN RICHARDS.
Just trawling through the thread.
Cando
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lca/
No WALDRON names only
RICHARDS, Eliza Child Page#129 1856
RICHARDS Eliza Ann Child Page#129 1856
RICHARDS Fanny – Child Page#129 1856.
Cando
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This is odd.........Solomon Richards and wife Mary Ann had a burglary at their premises in Currie St Adelaide in 1863.......
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50178972
Essie
Doesn't say he was actually there. If the Golden Fleece was a hotel it may have been necessary to be known as Mrs Solomon RICHARDS. Mary Ann transferred the licence of her former hotel the Adelaide Hotel in Sept 1858 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article88819787
Mary Ann RICHARDS landlady of the Golden Fleece Inn.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31831885
Cando
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...Robert John Waldon/Waldron/Walden RICHARDS brn 1852
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From the Trove I have found 3 court articles and it seems that Solomon kept Robert with him for a while before leaving him with a Mr David Hope around the end of 1856 promising to pay for the boys keep. Mr Hope it seems couldn't afford to keep him and wanted him entered into the asylum. The court at first wouldn't do this. The 3 articles make for some sad reading.
Adelaide Times 3rd March 1857
Adelaide Observer 7 March 1857
Adelaide Times 17 March
He was eventually entered into the asylum.
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According to the index to the Register of cases of destitution (GRG 28/4), a child, Robert RICHARDS, entered the Destitute Asylum in 1857. According to the index to the Nominal list of orphan and deserted children taken out of the Destitute Asylum (GRS 3822), a Robert RICHARDS, aged 8 1/4, left the Asylum on 10 October 1860 and was placed with a Mrs Kilworth in Roper Street Adelaide.
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Melia May I suggest that it was your Solomon RICHARDS who married Mary Ann ALLEN nee CHENHALLS, a widow, and as she stated in court, her husband Solomon left the colony never to be seen again.
Cando
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According to the index to the Register of cases of destitution (GRG 28/4), a child, Robert RICHARDS, entered the Destitute Asylum in 1857. According to the index to the Nominal list of orphan and deserted children taken out of the Destitute Asylum (GRS 3822), a Robert RICHARDS, aged 8 1/4, left the Asylum on 10 October 1860 and was placed with a Mrs Kilworth in Roper Street Adelaide.
John KILWORTH of Roper St died 15 April 1867, in his 42nd year
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article39181899
Modified to add: John and Charlotte KILWORTH (nee BURBIDGE) arrived SA in 1849 on the Navarino
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article50247526
and had 6 children born and registered in Adelaide between 1850 and 1862.
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Melia.
Has anyone researching this family compared the signatures of groom on the 1845 English marriage cert, the 1857 South Australian marriage certificate and the 1861 marriage certificate in NSW?
Cando
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This death of a child of the RICHARDS/PARKER marriage in 1886 suggests Annie was using the surname PLUMB
1886 C1902 Annie Waldon Rookley PARKER
Parents John Harry Rookley PARKER & Annie RICHARDS ** late PLUMB
Sue
I have slightly misinterpreted the term "late" in connection with the name PLUMB.
It was the name she was formerly known as.
Here is the marriage in QLD
1867 C188 Annie RICHARD (sic)
John PLUMB
I have not located a marriage for Annie PLUM/RICHARDS to PARKER.
Sue
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I would dearly love to find these children in the asylum (my own proof) and what became of them as they are my link to my family (via their mother) but can fin no trace of them apart from Hannah/Anna whom i believe married a William Price then a Henry Rookley Parker (or maybe John Henry Rookley Parker). I cannot find her death though. She was living Maryborough and Millchester in Queensland at some point.
Any help much appreciated
The Annie RICHARDS who had children with William PRICE cannot be the same as she who married PARKER. She would be having children with 2 different men in the same time frame.
Annie who married PLUMB and partnered PARKER may not be the daughter you are seeking.
Perhaps neither are correct.
Adding- The WALDRON in the naming of one PARKER child is a small clue however :)
Sue
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It seems about 1 month (possibly) after arriving in Adelaide Eliza gave birth to a daughter, Eliza.
Another researcher has it that the mother Eliza died 3 weeks after giving birth. I haven't been able to find anything on this death from here in England.
Melia
Eliza RICHARDS was interred at West Terrace Cemetery, Adelaide on 16 Jul 1856 aged 38 years.
Located of her grave is unknown.
Her death was not registered.
Cando
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Wow!!!
Thank you all so much. Taken me a while to go through all your responses but i am very grateful for them all. Got a lead now to Robert leaving the asylum although that's it really. I have put all the children into different databases but apart from Hannah/Anna (and now maybe Annie lol) there is nothing. obviously Hannah/etc ended up in Queensland although i can't find her death.
So replying to some of the replies and information.
I have Solomons death but not his actual certificate. Got newspaper articles on it. I also don't have any actual marriage certificates only info from indexes.
I also discovered two "Solomon Richards" .
My Solomon(was born 1822) was married to Margaret when he died in 1911 although she had previously passed away n 1905.
The other Solomon(born about 1838) was married to a Julia and he died in 1914.
I am sure it was my Solomon who married Mary Ann (landlady) as he deserted her as he had also deserted his children. And he would have been about 36 when he married her whereas the other Solomon would have only been about 20.
Solomon and Eliza did have a child Thomas who died before they emigrated.
The Family name changes all the time throughout history and also historical events. I have people who are Waldron one moment then they are Waldon or Walden in another census or childs baptism etc.. It can be very confusing!
Thank you for the article about the burglary. I am sure Solomon wasn't around then as he had deserted her and no mention of him.
Thank you also for the information on Annie/Hannah living as pensioner. I had searched for Anna and Hannah but not Annie!!! The PLUMB bit also confused me . I am going to go back over the 3 marriages and children using indexes to try and work it out. But it seems PLUMB and PARKER ; are right and maybe the PRICE is wrong.
That leaves me back with my actual intention of trying to find the other 3 children.
Thank you for the index info and knowing that Robert was placed with someone although i still can't trace him .I will try and contact SRSA and see if they will give me the information or whether they want me to use a researcher.
Thank you once again and i will keep checking on here in case anyone else comes up with anything
Melia
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Oh I forgot, I do have a copy of Solomon Richards and Eliza Waldron's marriage certificate but he didn't actually sign it. Obviously couldn't read or write. It is just his mark which is a cross.
Melia
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Thank you also for the information on Annie/Hannah living as pensioner. I had searched for Anna and Hannah but not Annie!!! The PLUMB bit also confused me . I am going to go back over the 3 marriages and children using indexes to try and work it out. But it seems PLUMB and PARKER ; are right and maybe the PRICE is wrong.
Melia
Please look again at replies #23 and #24 to clarify the position of PLUMB, PRICE, PARKER .
Only one marriage for Annie has been located.
As I have previously, noted there are several advertisements with Annie offering services as a ladies' nurse as early as 1881. This is simply a way of saying she offers midwifery and after-care for a charge.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/76719104
AND by 1898 accommodation as well.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/84859674
There was not a Government Aged Pension in Australia until the first decade of the 20th century.
A possibility as the death of John PLUMB
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/21815085
Sue
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Henry Rookley PARKER died in 1904
1904 C1992 Harry Rookley PARKER
Parents Thomas PARKER & Sarah ROOKLEY
He is buried at Lynd Highway Cemetery, Charters Towers.
Section 25. Plot 415. Grave 2421.
Date 1/01/1904
PARKER Harry Rookley
Cause Senile Decay
NEAR 2436
Officiating, REV.Beown
Interred 2/01/1904
Age 0 (read this as not known)
Sex M
Headstone,No
Denom, Anglican
No others share his grave.
Also a burial for the deceased child, Annie at Pioneer Cemetery
Section 5. Plot 0. Grave 1520.
Date 29/01/1886
PARKER Annie Waldron R.
Cause Gastro Enteritis
Officiating. Not Known
Interred 29/01/1886
Age 1. Sex F
Heastone, No
Denom. Anglican
http://www.charterstowers.qld.gov.au/cemeteries-search
Sue
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Hi Melia, I may be able to shed light on the PRICE/PLUMB side of the Annie Richards saga. Annie was my Great, Great Grandmother (through her first marriage to William Price). Annie did indeed marry a PARKER after my Great, Great Grandfather (William Price) died at a relatively young age due to an accident. The children of the first marriage were put into an orphanage and Annie then married a PARKER and moved to Charters Towers (she came back to retrieve the youngest child) and had a number of other children with Mr PARKER. My Great Grandfather was one of the children left behind in the orphanage. The PLUMB name has always been a mystery in the family as we were aware that Annie used the name (rather than PRICE). We have never been able to establish why. Annie is definitely the same woman. We think that there may have been something to do with Annie's first husband (my Great, Great Grandfather) 'jumping ship' (a common occurrence) when he arrived in Australia in around 1866 on the Golden South (at the port of Maryborough in Queensland). As I see that Solomon Richards eventually died in Maryborough, it seems as though Annie was based there at the time that my Great, Great Grandfather arrived. Perhaps her father had moved there after his various marriages and some of the children from his first marriage followed him there from Adelaide.
I am Australian but have lived in London for the past 27 years and would love to reach out separately to discuss the family tree further as we are related through this interesting/messy side of the family. PS Annie had a lot of children in total and her children all had large families - there are many, many, many descendants of the Richards in Australia.
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Oh BPLondon,
I have only just seen your reply on here.
For some reason i didn't get a mail saying someone had posted a reply. Nevermind i can respond now.
I have the newspaper cuttings on your Grt Grt Grandfathers accident and have copies of births and i believe baptisms of the children.
I will have to dig my folder out.
I wondered what would have happened to the children, i thought maybe they were all brought up with the Parker children. What a shame they were put into an orphanage considering what Annie went through as a child.
I have lots on Annie and her first husband, your grt grt grandfather. I would love to share information with you and maybe i have stuff you haven't and vice versa.
Annie is the link to my tree as her mother is a 3x grt aunt to me. I have been trying to find her siblings for years but so far to no avail and also i haven't found Annies death yet.
I live in Dorset!!!
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Hi Melia,
Its great to hear from you! 170 years later and Waldron descendants meet up back in the UK!
I hope you are keeping well in these troubling times.
I guess this means we are related on the Waldron side? Poor Eliza Waldron Richards, her life was cut short in a terrible way on arriving in Australia. Annie and her father (Solomon) at least seem to have lived very full (and dramatic) lives. I do not have any photos of Hannah/Anna/Annie, but I do have a photo of one of her daughters with William Price (as an aside, my father was quite close to one of Annie's children who knew of her and that she had another family in Charters Towers). Despite being in an orphanage, I believe they kept in touch and he also knew his siblings who she had taken with her to the next marriage. I imagine they must have also known of Annie's father (Solomon Richards) who lived in the Maryborough area and had a large additional family with his third wife.
I would love to share what I do have. I also have family trees for Annie's 5 children with William Price (and their descendants) and subsequent 9 children with Harry Parker (I believe she had her last child when she was circa 50 years of age - Vietta - which seems remarkable, if that is indeed possible!).
I do not know what happened to Annie's siblings and whether they also left Adelaide. My email address is:
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Benedict
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Melia