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I am new to forums, so please excuse me if this is then wrong place for this request.
I am looking for some help here if possible, PLEASE. The little hair I have is nearly pulled out.
My dad was Adopted at birth. His birth certificate bears his Mothers name. Margaret McDonald. Address is Domicile: 252 Garscube road Glasgow. She was single, which I suppose is why the adoption was done. Was there a Home or Convent of some sort here. His name on the birth certificate has his own birth name and his adoptive name also.
I was told his Mother may have been a teacher. I have looked up the Scotland people and I only find a Margaret MacDonald not McDonald who was a pawnbrokers assistant and whos Father was was a teacher. I have been able to trace this line back a fair way.
Is there a chance that the name was changed to Mc from Mac only on my Dads Birth certificate.
Also. The MacDonalds on the line I have done are Free Church and my Dads adoptive Family are Irish RC. This doesn’t seem right, or is it normal.
Thanks.
Martin
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Welcome.
I'm sure we will have a few people looking , but intially a bit more information is needed.
Can you give a date or year for this birth?
Thanks
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Hi and Welcome :)
As Pauline says, some dates would help. Mc and Mac are often used interchangeably so I shouldn't worry about the surname.
Gadget
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Thank you for the very fast response.
My Father was Born 17th August 1925. Name on Birth Certificate being James McDonald O'Brien. (O'Brien being his adoptive name)
Born 20 or 26 West Cumberland Street Glasgow but Mother was Domiciled at 252 Garscube Road.
Martin O'Brien
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I found a Margaret MacDonald born on 19th December 1906, which I am presuming is the correct one.
Martin
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What occupation does it give for Margaret on your father's birth certificate? Was the pawnbroker's assistant from that?
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Yes! That's what it says her occupation was
Martin
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Have you looked for a possible death for Margaret?
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Struggling to see a record of this birth on Scotlandspeople. Is it a standard birth certificate that you have?
Isobel
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What was Margaret's mother's name on her birth cert?
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If your father was born and adopted immediately after birth, then this couldn't have been a formal/legal adoption as this was not a legal procedure until 1930.
Does his birth certificate state his mother's occupation? Have you checked valuation rolls for 1925 for where she lived?
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Does his birth certificate state his mother's occupation?
See Replies #5 and 6. Mother's occ was stated as pawnbroker's assistant.
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Sorry for delay. Ive been working
This is what Info I have. As I say, This may not be even the correct Family tree but is what I have. If its the correct Mother then this info is correct. Thats what it hinges on.
The Birth for Margaret MacDonald who I think is my dads mum is from Scotlandspeople. Year of birth 1906 (Statutory registers Births 644/9 1542)
Margarets Mum was called Margaret MacLeod and Dad was John MacDonald
According to the 1911 census John. (born in Arscaig. No record of him there though as I took a trip there on Sunday) and Margaret (born Uig, Lewis)They had 6 children. Catherine Ann (12) who died in 1918 of the Spanish Flu I take it, There was Mary Elysbeth (10) who I can only find under Mary Eliza. William (10), Angusina (6), Margaret (4) and Christine but can only find a Christian under this (1). Looks like Elysbeth and William would be twin maybe
John MacDonald 30 y.o. married Margaret Macleod 20 y.o. 7th July 1897 in Glasgow Free Church of Scotland
John MacDonald Died 2nd April–1939 (Statutory registers Deaths 644/9 329) there was a correction on death certificate.(retired Schoolmaster)
John MacDonalds Father was William MacDonald and Mother was Catherine MacKay. (Police Constable)
Margaret Macleods Father was angus MacLeod and Mother was Mary ??? cant make out the name
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There's an interesting death for a Margaret Macdonald mmn Mcleod, aged 83, in 1990, Glasgow, Martha Street.
Other deaths with these surnames are in Kincardine and Portree.
It may not be correct but worth a try. Also, if she died before 1974, mmn would not show on index.
Gadget
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I just checked and seen that. I cannot get access though as its to recent. I will either need to send for certificate or visit Edinburgh I think. Looks good though
Thank You
Martin
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Margaret McLeod's mother's mn looks like Fraser :)
Gadget
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I thought it was a G at the start, but now you say that, it does look like Fraser when smaller but not when enlarged.
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I've had a look through the 1925 Voters Roll on Ancestry and there is an Edward McDonald, Mrs Margaret McDonald and Mary Ann McDonald listed at 252 Garscube Road. I think this family is in Paisley in 1911 but in 1901 they are in Glasgow and have a daughter Margaret age 6 months.
From various records on Ancestry it appears this Margaret went to America and married Homer (Harry) Moheng in 1928. They had a daughter born in Glasgow in 1932 named Margaret Veronica Moheng ( Sp have the birth recorded in Hillhead, which is the same reg district as James O'Brien McDonald in 1925).
I am struggling to see why you have opted for the 1906 Margaret MacDonald. Is there something you know that points to this one?
Also the birth certificate for James is very unusual. you don't normally have adoptive parents surname included. With illegitimate births the middle name of the child often points to the name of the father. Is it possible that James remained with his paternal family?
Isobel
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Thats pretty interesting.
I went for that Margaret MacDonald because someone had mentioned that his mother was a School teacher. It so happened that Margarets Dad was a School Teacher.
I thought that was very unusual about the name also.
If it wasnt a legal adoption, would it have been someone they knew.
I dont think his adoptive parents were his paternal though unless Mmmm!!
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The other thing is. James O'brien McDonald was born what looks like 26 west Cumberland street and Margaret MacDonald was born 56 West Cumberland Street. could easily be a mistake of number.
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I cant access the 1925 census on Ancestry. Is there a knack to it
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I cant access the 1925 census on Ancestry. Is there a knack to it
It is actually the Glasgow Voters Roll. If you use the card index search on Ancestry using the search term 'Glasgow' it should bring up the record set Glasgow Lanark Electoral Registers 1857 - 1962. I trawled through all the records until I found Garscube Road, but I can now point you to the exact entry which should make it easier for you to find.
Open up the search screen and put in the name Edward McDonald. This will bring up a list and the attached screenshot shows the one you want.
Isobel
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Thank you isobel
Martin
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According to the 1930 US census Margaret immigrated in 1925, but I can't see an obvious entry. When she came back in 1932 to have the baby she was living at 174 New City Road, Glasgow which is listed as the address of her next of kin -father Edward McDonald. She returned to the US in 1933 but there are other visits to Glasgow eg 1956 also to New City Road.
Isobel
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I tried to access it but coudnt work it out lol. I got some other one on garscube road. But there was an interesting one on 41 west cumberland street. a pawnbroker. not McDonald tough
getting more confused by the minute here haha. but its very interesting.
martin
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Screen print attached. Mary Ann is at the top of the next Column.
copyright image removed
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I have found Margaret McDonald on the Outward Passenger Lists on Ancestry. She sailed on the Leviathan on 21 Aug 1926 ( Ancestry have this mistranscribed as 1925). Next of kin is her father Edward of 252 Garscube Road, Glasgow. She is going to a sister Jean McDonald.
Isobel
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Thank you Isobel, this is a great help.
I will follow this line as it seems the correct one now.
Birth certificate is still baffling though.
Martin
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Have just managed to find 20 West Cumberland Street on the 1925 Voters Roll. Occupants James A Lyon and Alice G Lyon. Scotlandspeople 1925 valuation has James A Lyon against 16- 20 West Cumberland Street. No listing for a 26 West Cumberland Street.
Isobel
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Thank you very much Isobel. I cant thank you enough.
You have discovered very interesting lines for me. Loving it
Martin
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Really well done, Isobel. you nearly always manage to get the right family :)
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hi again.
I was wondering if anyone can help a bit more.
I have traced my Dads family forward pretty well but I cant find anything going back the way.
I cant find Edward McDonald (my dads grandad) on anything at all
Martin
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In 1901 I think Edward is at 9 Caithness Street, Milton, Glasgow (Ancestry)
Edward McDonald age 38, occ Causewayer, born Ireland
Margaret McDonald age 25, wife born Glasgow
Mary Ann McDonald, daughter age 5 born Glasgow
Susan McDonald, daughter age 4 born Glasgow
Ellen McDonald, daughter, age 2 born Glasgow
Margaret McDonald, daughter age 6months born Glasgow
A hint on Ancestry suggests that wife Margaret was nee Boyle and there is a marriage on Scotlandspeople in Milton in 1895 between an Edward McDonald and a Margaret Boyle.
Using the index to 1911 census on Scotlandspeople the family seem to be in Paisley in 1911. Margaret (born 1900) is not with them but other names tally. Ref is 573/1 61/5
Edward age 46
Margaret age 32
Mary Ann age 15
Susanagh age 14
Ellen age 12
Jane age 8 ( this could be the sister Jean that Margaret went to in US)
Elizabeth age 6
Edward age 5
Francis age 3
James age 0
Suggestion on Ancestry that Susan married Francis J Carey and they settled in New York ( there is a possible marriage in Milton in 1922). In 1930 US census Susan's brother Edward McDonald ( b 1906) is shown as living with them.
Can't see anything on Edward prior to 1901 and he looks to have been born just prior to the start of statutory birth registration in Ireland in 1864. If the 1895 marriage is correct then it will give parents, names for both Edward and Margaret and might help you move further back ( at least with Margaret, who seems to have been born in Scotland).
Isobel
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I dont know how you do it but thank you.
I was thinking about what you found earlier and I have been thinking now that my Dads adoptive father may have actually have been his real father. due to an affair with Margaret. This makes sense as to the birth certificate and being brought up by his paternal family. Closely guarded so as not to hurt his Mum or tarnish his dad.
Thank you. I will now work on this
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Susan McDonald/ Carey appears to have made a number of trips across the Atlantic. In 1932 and 1937 she gives her next of kin in U.K. as Her father Edward McDonald living at 174 New City Road, Glasgow ( the same address given by Margaret on her trips home). In 1928 she names Edward as NOK but his address is 40 Grove Street, Glasgow.
If you check Susan's marriage certificate it should confirm her mother's maiden and if it is indeed Boyle then the 1895 marriage would give you a lot more info. To work back with. Both certificates can be viewed on Scotlandspeople.
Isobel
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Thank you Isobel
Martin
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Hello again Isobel.
I would like to thank you for this info you got me. Everything is correct and I have now been in contact with a lot of my Dads family who knew absolutely nothing about us.
It has been a huge shock to all of them.
Thanks again Isobel. more than 20 years after I started looking, you managed to get it.
Forever grateful.
Martin
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Isobel, what a great job you did here for Martin :)
Monica
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Delighted that I have been able to help. How exciting that you have managed to contact some of your father's family.
Isobel
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Hi Isobelw,
I would just like to update you on my progress with the help you gave me.
Ihave contacted my cousins in the USA and I am going to meet them in May this year. I cant thank you enough Isobelw.
Thanks
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Hi Martin,
Thank you so much for the update. Glad I was able to help. Have a wonderful time with your relatives when you finally meet.
Isobel