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I have amongst my paperwork from a previous contact a marriage for a William Price.
I was never able to confirm where they found this information and i haven't been able to find any reference to it anywhere.
Can anyone help with this. I am in England.
William PRICE and Anna/Annie/Hannah (The contact has Anna but i know she went by the various names) 11 Dec 1867 in Gayndah Queensland
Thank you Melia
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Hi Melia,
Here is Queensland BDM - free to search https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research
The closest I can see is a marriage in 1877 of William PRICE to Ann EVANS reg C496
(You can narrow down the date to exact day)
Ros
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I doubt there was a marriage as she was married to John PLUMB, if she is your Annie RICHARDS.
Yesterday I posted additional information to your original post.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=785824.27
Sue
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If the marriage is not to be found, why don't you buy the birth certificate of one of the children of the PRICE/ RICHARDS union and learn more about who the mother was.
$21.40. Image to you.
Sue
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This death of another child of Annie's again draws attention to the fact.
Her name was PLUMB.
1958 B23739 Ada Waldon Rookley BROADHURST
Parents John Harry Rookley PARKER & Annie RICHARDS ** late PLUMB.
The deaths of two of the children of PRICE/RICHARDS
Informant on Margaret's gives a second given name for father William. Richard.
May or may not be accurate.
1944 C587 George PRICE
Parents William & Annie RICHARDS
1960 C5935 Margaret WAKEHAM
Parents William Richard PRICE & Annie RICHARDS
You can search for further information on these people if you think relevant.
One William Richard PRICE died in Rural QLD in 1919 (C5920) Parents William and Jane COLLINS Another William PRICE died in Charters Towers in 1881 and is buried there. Aged 44. (C1120) Parents John and Ann MORRIS.
Sue
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Death of another PRICE child??
1960 C2050 Sarah Ann Langtree
Parents William Plume & Annie Richards
Essie
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Death of another PRICE child??
1960 C2050 Sarah Ann Langtree
Parents William Plume & Annie Richards
Essie
Yes.
I do think it a very good possibility,Essie. Allowing for a good deal of confusion about names on the occasion of the marriage.
The name PRICE seems to have been lost. ;D
Sarah LANGTREE and her husband were residents of Charters Towers from 1903 to 1958 according to Electoral Roll.
The marriage
1890 C1180 Sarah Ann PLUME
Herbert Hastings LANGTREE
As there was not a marriage between William PRICE/Annie RICHARDS, the mother's name at the birth time (correctly PLUMB), was possibly used for the marriage registration and wrongly spelled. The birth of one Sarah PRICE is recorded with mother Annie RICHARDS.
Sue
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I know it is all very confusing!
Its funny how i was given an exact date for William Price's marriage and yet there is no registration for it.
My thinking is that it was entirely possible for Annie/etc to have married a John Plumb/Plume and be with a William Price .
John married in 1867
Birth of William PRICE was registered 1869 (but as Essie says it has 'R' which means registered late) Father William PRICE
William died 1868
Maybe John died or changed his name.
5 more children after that with the name PRICE. None with PLUMB or PLUME
Sarah . Sarah uses Plume in her marriage and on death though
George
Margaret
William Henry
William PRICE(husband) it seems died in 1875 (Report in the Trove) after having his leg amputated leaving a wife and 3 children.
There were 4 children though if the same William. Annie did re-marry again in 1876 using the name PLUMB
Im trying to collate all the children and there are variations of PRICE/PLUME/PLUMB all over the place, even in Annie's PARKER marriage.
Here in England it helps that we can view parish registers and this clarify s a lot usually
I may try some certificates
Melia
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William PRICE(husband) it seems died in 1875 (Report in the Trove) after having his leg amputated leaving a wife and 3 children.
Melia
Melia,
This accident happened in Tiaro.
Why would you think it is the correct William PRICE?
The distance between Tiaro and the Townsville/Charters Towers areas is about 700 miles.
Sue
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I know it is all very confusing!
Its funny how i was given an exact date for William Price's marriage and yet there is no registration for it............
Melia
The date 11/12/1867 was in fact the actual marriage date of Annie RICHARDS and John PLUMB.
Essie
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I don't know how I missed the marriage registration for the second marriage PLUMB/PARKER ::) ???
Obviously not thorough enough in my searching.
Thanks for highlighting it Melia.
1876 C458 Annie PLUMB
Harry Rookley PARKER
The date 11/12/1867 was in fact the actual marriage date of Annie RICHARDS and John PLUMB.
Essie
??? PRICE and PLUMB seem to be merging here.
I do wonder where the information that the PRICE/RICHARDS marriage was at Gayndah came from
Did the friend researcher have that certificate?
Sue
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The marriage details would have come from a birth certificate of one of Annie's children. The question was "When and where married". Using a real or familiar date means you wouldn't forget the story when registering the next birth ;D
Debra :)
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??? ???
Marriage recorded Anna RICHARDS to John PLUMB 11/December/1867.
Child of William PRICE and Hannah RICHARDS dies August 1868.
1868 C714 William Price. Parents William PRICE & Hannah RICHARDS
A child also named William PRICE has a birth registration noted with R meaning late.
1869 R145 William PRICE Parents William & Hannah RICHARDS
Is this the late registration of the deceased child William?
Sue
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Well i never ! Sometimes it pays to trust your hunches. It costs more to prove it if your hunches are in Australia though lol. I paid out for some images which i you can get the same of if Ancestors are in England mostly for free. Never mind.
So these images prove some things, throw up some more mysteries, and maybe confusion on Hannahs part.
John PLUMB marriage.
11 Dec 1867 Gayndah. to Annie Richard.
Johns details age 25, a bushman,born Northw***(could be Northwich) England, parents John PLUMB/Betty GARTON.
Annie's details age 21, born Bridport, England. Parents George RICHARD/Eliza WALDEN
Harry Rookly PARKER marriage. (who in later items becomes Henry lol)
20 Dec 1876 Millchester to Annie PLUMB Spinster but amended as widow.
Harry age 40 born Exmouth, Devonshire, England. Parents Thomas and Sarah.
Annie age 27 born Bridport, Dorsetshire, England. Parents George RICHARDS/Eliza WALDON
So all perfectly normal there.
So i then got 2 births and the death for the poor William who had his leg amputated (I was hoping).
Death
William PRICE 22 Mar 1875, Maryborough Hospital. Amputation age 35 Labourer. Born Cheshire, England. Married Gayndah at age 27 to Hannah RICHARDS.
Father William PRICE, mother UNKNOWN.
children, Sarah 6, George 4, William 3, Margaret 1/2 year.
So from that it seems the newspaper report got the number of children wrong. it seems like the man Annie/Hannah married and yet its a different name!!!
Will the 2 births help??? I got the first William as it seems he was died in 1868 but the birth wasn't registered until 1869, and i got Sarah's.
So on 7 July 1869 Annie registered Sarah's birth in Maryborough.
Sarah PRICE born 4 July 1869, living Maryborough, father William Price, age 25, Timber Getter, born England. Mother Annie Formerly Richards, age 22, born Dorsetshire England. Married Gayndah. (no date). Other children none living, 1 male dead.
Then on 16 Nov 1869 William (or is it John !!!???) registered The first William's birth in Brisbane.
William PRICE born 5 August 1868 in (Writing tiny but looks like) G*n (i think or r)ga*ie, so g*nga*ie. living Grahams Creek. Father William Price age 27 Bushman (same as John PLUMB's marriage) born Liverpool England. Mother Hannah formerly Richards age 22, born Dorstshire, England. Married 11 Dec 1867 Gayndah. Other children Sarah 3 years. She was actually according to Annie's register of her birth only just gone 1!!!!
So it seems John PLUMB and William PRICE both married Annie Richards on the same day!!! I don't think so, so did John become William (No mothers name on his death certificate) and why does Sarah have William PLUME down as her father on her death certificate?
I love family history !!!!!!
Melia
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Well, well! :P
Annie certainly moved around Australia over enormous distances. What a pioneer. ;D
Birth.
PLUMB, John.
MMS -GARTON
GRO Reference 1841
Sept Quarter in NORTHWICH
Volume 19 Page 192
Sue
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Wow!!!
Melia, our hunches were worth following up!!!
Essie
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Immigration to Qld
Name Wm PRICE
Age 25
Birth Year abt 1841
Place of Origin Cheshire, England
Ship Name Golden South
Port of Arrival Queensland
Arrival Date Feb 1866
Sue
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One birth in the MAR Qrtr 1841 for a William PRICE - so about the right age
Reg. Northwich 19 / 176
Were these men known to each other?
BUT found by Sue ..... John PLUMB birth record at Northwich and same age as William PRICE from Cheshire.
Essie
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There was a marriage for a man of the right name in the right area in the right time-frame
Marriages Dec 1864 Northwich 8a/323
BARKER James
GIBSON Hephzibah
PLUMB John
WOODWARD Mary
Don't know if he could be further located through census and other UK records.
Sue
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A couple of notes.
Herbert and Sarah LANGTREE had about 10 births registered.
On all of these the mother is registered as Sarah Ann/e PLUME.
An interesting thing on the Qld birth index is this.
If you enter simply the name PLUMB in the box for mothers name, and years 1870 to 1917
at least six of the PARKER/RICHARDS births come up., under the surname PARKER
The surname of the mother is simply Annie RICHARDS. The name PLUMB does not actually appear :P
This suggests to me there is something on those registrations describing the name of mother.... such as formerly PLUMB.
Sue
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So yesterday evening, just on the off chance, i googled John PLUMB Northwich, and one appeared with a title of boat family. I remembered in John's wedding he said his father was a waterman which i hadn't heard of before. I clicked on it and it has the entire family.
John PLUMB marring an Elizabeth GARTON 29 Dec 1828.
So we know John definitely existed .
Melia
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So yesterday evening, just on the off chance, i googled John PLUMB Northwich, and one appeared with a title of boat family. I remembered in John's wedding he said his father was a waterman which i hadn't heard of before. I clicked on it and it has the entire family.
John PLUMB marring an Elizabeth GARTON 29 Dec 1828.
So we know John definitely existed .
Melia
Yes Melia,
I pointed this out to you in reply#14.
I also suggested a possible marriage if you would like to read through again.
I am not able to find him in 1871 with or without a wife.
Perhaps it is a good opportunity for you to use some of the parish register sources you have previously mentioned as being available and helpful.
Other members of John PLUMB's family continue to be visible through census .
His mother possibly died in 1854.
You can search such things quite easily from where you are.
Sue
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I have noted John PLUMB's parents but as Annie is the link in my family i won't go down the road of John' family.
I did get the image for the first William's death (born 1868) yeaterday. He was born prematurely and died 1 day old. I also managed from this to work out the place name of where they were. I t was Yengarie.
Also still trying to work out how William PRICE became involved in all of this and what happened to John as he just seems to disappear. Perhaps that is what happened!!! Some misdemeanor!!
Did Annie just take on William's surname for the birth of her children but if so why did Sarah (born 1869) take the name of Plume when she married and had died, and the fact that Annie/Hannah re-married after William's death with the name Plumb.
Still nothing on Annies 2 sisters or brother though. Can't find anything on them apart that Robert was removed from the destitute asylum and placed with Mrs Kilworth in 1860.
May just have to forget them sadly
Melia
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I have noted John PLUMB's parents but as Annie is the link in my family i won't go down the road of John' family.
Melia
The reason I am suggesting you look further into John PLUMB's time in England before marrying in Australia is this.
If you discover John PLUMB who married either WOODWARD or GIBSON in 1864 is the same John PLUMB as married Annie RICHARDS in 1867, and that this English bride is still living,then you have a case for thinking there has possibly been a simple name change for obvious reasons. PLUMB to PRICE..
Again, records of the English marriage will clarify.
Although there is nothing so far to absolutely support "one in the same man", there certainly are some strong hints.
The PLUMB/PLUME name is attached to the registered births of PARKER children and PRICE children as I have mentioned above. That is why is the Qld BMD search is bringing up mother's name PLUMB on these registrations.
Possibly the exact wording on those births in the column "mother's name" might be 'formerly' PLUMB or it may be 'AKA' PLUMB or AKA 'PRICE'.
Sue
ADDING
A quick look round Cheshire marriages.
John PLUMB married Mary WOODWARD 1864.
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/matchref.php?county=cheshire&date=1865&type=marriage&reference=NO%2F2%2F65&prefix=NH
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i see what you mean Sue.
Also i haven't come across a John Plumb arriving in Australia yet, and i don't think anyone else has mentioned finding one in our section.
There is a William Price as we know arriving on the Golden South.
I will see if i can look at any census today
Melia
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Yes, look around the available census material and perhaps you will locate the couple or one or other of them.
A full detail of the marriage PLUMB/WOODWARD will be helpful if budget allows.
Sue