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Title: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: DeafDoggy488 on Wednesday 17 January 18 21:01 GMT (UK)
Hi all,

I'm struggling to trace some of my Irish Ancestry as I'm stuck at some of my great grandparents. I know there is a slim chance of being able to trace them because of loss of some records and poor record keeping but this is worth a try anyway.

Basically, my paternal grandmother was born in County Longford, in a township called Creenagh, in 1924. She was named Muriel Violet Wright. Her parents were William Wright and Sarah Jane Twaddle. William was born in Co. Longford too, in 1871 to Robert Wright and Margaret Leslie. Sarah was born in Longford too (I think) in 1892 to John Twaddle and Margaret McCord. But beyond that, I'm stuck as there is not much information to go on.

Is there any other sites that specialise in irish genealogy that I can use to help or any other ways of finding info?

Thanks,
Fiona
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 17 January 18 21:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Fiona,

There is the census for 1901 and 1911
Here is Sarah Jane in 1901
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lcp/

Irish Genealogy has civil records - you can check which ones are available.  https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

Sarah Janeís birth

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02377/1887047.pdf

Heywood
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 17 January 18 21:22 GMT (UK)
1911 census shows how long a couple were married. With that information you can search Irish Genealogy for the marriage which will give you the coupleís parents.

You might be able to get back a bit further.

Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: isobelw on Wednesday 17 January 18 22:04 GMT (UK)
The index on www.irishgenealogy.ie shows a marriage in 1855 in Longford between Robert Wright and Margaret Leslie. Unfortunately they haven't got the original scan of this on the site yet, but they are working towards having all the records scanned. i think you should be able to view it on GRONI for a small fee. Charles Twaddle and Margaret McCord married in 1889 and their certificate is free to view at irishgenealogy.ie. John's father was Charles Twaddle, Farmer and Margaret's father was John McCord, Farmer.
Isobel
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: DeafDoggy488 on Wednesday 17 January 18 22:24 GMT (UK)
The index on www.irishgenealogy.ie shows a marriage in 1855 in Longford between Robert Wright and Margaret Leslie. Unfortunately they haven't got the original scan of this on the site yet, but they are working towards having all the records scanned. i think you should be able to view it on GRONI for a small fee. Charles Twaddle and Margaret McCord married in 1889 and their certificate is free to view at irishgenealogy.ie. John's father was Charles Twaddle, Farmer and Margaret's father was John McCord, Farmer.
Isobel

GRONI? Sorry, not sure what that acronym stands for?

I found Charles Twaddle and John McCord too but I'm stuck as to for the mothers' names. There were no records of a birth registered for Margaret McCord so I'm unsure if I'm searching in the right county/religion. As far as I am aware, no member of my irish family were catholics but I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 17 January 18 22:32 GMT (UK)
Civil registration began in 1864 for births and Margaret was born before this.
There are Catholic baptisms online but your family show Church of Ireland.
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 17 January 18 22:35 GMT (UK)
These are old posts, have you seen them?

https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=46&p=surnames.twaddle
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: DeafDoggy488 on Wednesday 17 January 18 22:38 GMT (UK)
Yeah, I've seen the thread on Ancestry and I've commented on it but so far no reply. That's why I thought I'd try on here in case there's something new. Is there no other way to investigate the Church of Ireland records?
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 17 January 18 22:48 GMT (UK)
GRONI = General Register Office of Northern Ireland
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 17 January 18 22:50 GMT (UK)
Griffiths Valuation shows Trillickacurry to be in Ballymacormack Civil Parish.

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/longford/ballymacormick.htm

Longford CoI records list

https://www.johngrenham.com/records/county_church_full.php?county=Longford&search_type=full&denomination=Church%20of%20Ireland

Have you looked here for wills indexes
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/home.jsp
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 17 January 18 23:15 GMT (UK)
Margaretís residence is Cordivan on marriage.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10743/5917374.pdf

There is a marriage for Mary McCord to Moffat McCormick and she is also from Cordiven

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11119/8070530.pdf

It could well be that they are sisters or that Cordiven has lots of McCords but worth noting.

Death of John McCord of Cordiven - informant his son in law Moffat McCormack
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1889/06140/4754009.pdf
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 17 January 18 23:19 GMT (UK)
Some websites which may be useful:
Irish Genealogy Toolkit
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com

S Wilson
http://www.swilson.info/index.php

Irish Ancestors
https://www.johngrenham.com

Irish Family History Society
www.ifhs.ie/index.htm

GEN UKI
http://www.genuki.org.uk

Ireland Reaching Out
www.irelandxo.com

Irish Graveyards
https://irishgraveyards.ie
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 17 January 18 23:22 GMT (UK)
Death of Sarah Mccord, Cordiven reported by son William.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1899/05796/4639571.pdf

William is in 1901 census.

Marriage Longford
1846 Quarter   1
Volume 7
Page 433

Also Sarah McCormick  with the same reference

Not yet online

If I recall, there was a Lizzie MCormick as witness to the Twaddle marriage.
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 17 January 18 23:24 GMT (UK)
John McCord in Calendar of Wills

http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014905/005014905_00291.pdf

Sarah McCord in Calendar of Wills
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014911/005014911_00181.pdf

Just want to add a note of caution that these may not be Margaretís parents but as I said, worth noting.
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: isobelw on Wednesday 17 January 18 23:25 GMT (UK)
Charles Twaddle, age 86, a Farmer, married, died at Tullick in 1886. Informant was son E A Twaddle.
In 1896 there is a death of a Mary Jane Twaddle Age 71, Farmer's widow at Tullick. Informant was son John
In 1864 a Charles Twaddle was born at Tullick to Charles Twaddle, Farmer and Mary Jane Twaddle nee Rowan. Possible these are parents of your John?
Isobel
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 18 January 18 05:23 GMT (UK)
I photographed Ballymacormack... McCords there too

No.28
In| loving memory| of| ELIZABETH VICTORIA LILY TWADDLE|
Trilliceacurry| who died 8th May 1936| her husband CHARLES
WILLIAM| died 12th April 1931.

No.29
In loving memory of | JOHN TWADDLE | Trillickacurry, Longford | who
died 19th Jan 1934 | his wife MARGARET ANN| died Aug 1939.


http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/longford/photos/tombstones/longford-ballymacormack/target27.html

http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/longford/photos/tombstones/longford-ballymacormack/target28.html

No.14
In loving memory| of| JOHN CHARLES Mc CORD| Knockanboy| 10th
March 1923 - 9th July 2003| and his wife| FRANCES MIRIAM Mc
CORD| 10th April 1933 - 15th Oct 2008.

No.15
CHARLES ...| Knockanboy| who died 28th Feb 1980| aged
?0 (90) yrs| also his wife| FRANCES SARAH| who died ... Feb
1968| aged ?? yrs| and their son| Wm F Mc CORD|
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 18 January 18 10:22 GMT (UK)
Civil Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Twaddle
Area - Longford

Displaying results 1 - 38 of 38. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ld1/
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 18 January 18 10:25 GMT (UK)
   Sarah was born in Longford too (I think) in 1892 to John Twaddle and Margaret McCord. But beyond that, I'm stuck as there is not much information to go on.

Is there any other sites that specialise in irish genealogy that I can use to help or any other ways of finding info?

Thanks,
Fiona


Name    SARAH TWADDLE
Date of Birth   1891
Group Registration ID   10973366
SR District/Reg Area   Longford
Sex   N/R
Mother's Birth Surname   McCord

Cert online....  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02377/1887047.pdf
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 18 January 18 10:30 GMT (UK)
Marriage Cert online

  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10743/5917374.pdf

Party 1 Name   JOHN TWADDLE            Father Charles
Party 2 Name   MARGARET MCCORD     Father John
Date of Event   04 July 1889
Group Registration ID   2513790
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 18 January 18 10:34 GMT (UK)
Name     CHARLES TWADDLE  son of Charles and Mary Jane (Rowan)
Date of Birth   1864
Group Registration ID   7623806
SR District/Reg Area   Longford

Cert online https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03625/2338336.pdf
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 18 January 18 10:37 GMT (UK)
Charles' brother...  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03517/2293730.pdf

Name     ARCHIBALD TWADDLE
Date of Birth   1866
Group Registration ID   8085265
SR District/Reg Area   Longford

There are possibly others which you may enjoy finding yourself!
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: Yonks Ago on Thursday 18 January 18 10:42 GMT (UK)
Do you know what parish the family are from?

Yonks
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 18 January 18 10:46 GMT (UK)
William was born in Co. Longford too, in 1871 to Robert Wright.... and Margaret Leslie who was born in Co Leitrim
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 18 January 18 11:01 GMT (UK)
Deceased Surname   Twaddle
Deceased Forename   Charles
Primary Beneficiary/Executor  John Twaddle
Date of Death  7 Apr 1886
County of Death  Longford

http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014901/005014901_00344.pdf
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 18 January 18 11:03 GMT (UK)
Deceased Surname  Twaddle
Deceased Forename   James
Primary Beneficiary/Executor  Samuel Murphy
Date of Death  21 Dec 1876
County of Death   Longford

http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014893/005014893_00385.pdf
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 18 January 18 11:11 GMT (UK)
The index on www.irishgenealogy.ie shows a marriage in 1855 in Longford between Robert Wright and Margaret Leslie. Unfortunately they haven't got the original scan of this on the site yet, but they are working towards having all the records scanned. i think you should be able to view it on GRONI for a small fee. Charles Twaddle and Margaret McCord married in 1889 and their certificate is free to view at irishgenealogy.ie. John's father was Charles Twaddle, Farmer and Margaret's father was John McCord, Farmer.
Isobel


Name   ROBERT WRIGHT
Date of Event   1855
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Longford
Returns Year   1855
Returns Quarter   1
Returns Volume No   7
Returns Page No   363


 Marriage of MARGARET LESLIE
in 1855
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Longford
Returns Year   1855
Returns Quarter   1
Returns Volume No   7
Returns Page No   363



https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do

If you know anyone in Republic of Ireland they can get it at any Registry Office
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 18 January 18 11:15 GMT (UK)
Deceased Surname Wright
Deceased Forename  Robert
Primary Beneficiary/Executor Margaret Wright
Date of Death 1 May 1907
County of Death Longford

http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014915/005014915_00293.pdf
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 19 January 18 19:40 GMT (UK)
The 1855 marriage of Robert Wright to Margaret Leslie will not be found on GRONI's website (as was suggested earlier) as they only hold certificates from Northern Ireland counties. However, extract is, and has been available for years, on Family Search-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG6L-2FJ
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGJM-M3G
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGV8-55T8

More family details available on above site.
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: heywood on Saturday 20 January 18 07:36 GMT (UK)
Yeah, I've seen the thread on Ancestry and I've commented on it but so far no reply. That's why I thought I'd try on here in case there's something new. Is there no other way to investigate the Church of Ireland records?

Hi Lisa,

Has the information posted thus far helped you at all?

Heywood
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: Yonks Ago on Saturday 20 January 18 08:22 GMT (UK)
Longford has 24 Parishes..you need to know which Parish the family are from.

Yonks
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 20 January 18 08:27 GMT (UK)
Longford has 24 Parishes..you need to know which Parish the family are from.

Yonks

The Parish has been posted.

Images of gravestones have been posted
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: DeafDoggy488 on Sunday 11 February 18 22:55 GMT (UK)
Hi All,

Sorry I didn't reply asap.

Your help has been tremendous as I've managed to uncover some family members. If it wasn't for your advice and a gentle nudge of direction, I would have been stuck.

It's a shame that Irish ancestry can be difficult as there is so much history in Ireland and it would have been amazing for everyone to find out what part their ancestors played in Irish's history.

Thank you again.
Fiona
Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: dathai on Sunday 03 February 19 16:34 GMT (UK)
Had you found these  (right hand page )
Will of Charles Twaddle dated 1881 parish of BallymaCormack
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/wr/007604230_00188.pdf
mentions a daughter Lucinda Withers
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1877/11151/8084630.pdf
a son James in Brooklyn 1892 two children born N York Joseph 5 Agnes 3
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XC49-X5K?i=2&cc=1529100

Title: Re: Irish Ancestry struggles
Post by: dathai on Sunday 03 February 19 16:49 GMT (UK)
more marriages  last one is interesting
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ncj/