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Title: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: 8golfer8 on Thursday 18 January 18 01:38 GMT (UK)
Andrew Lawlor b 1865 Raheen or Lettonn died March 1932 Surrey England
Married Margaret McIntosh b 1855 Inverness Scotland
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 18 January 18 05:04 GMT (UK)
3 Raheens in Laois

https://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=Raheen&str=on&con=100017

No Lettonn
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: 8golfer8 on Friday 19 January 18 04:17 GMT (UK)
some census reports say Queens county, Raheen another says Ballylinen.  Andrew Lawlor (or Lalor) could have been born 1865 or 1866.  His father was John
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Friday 19 January 18 09:35 GMT (UK)
https://www.logainm.ie/en/1416670?s=Ballylinan

Have you checked to see if Birth was registered?
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Friday 19 January 18 09:40 GMT (UK)
 Birth results for Lawlor of Athy sorted by Date

Displaying results 1 - 100 of 653.


http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lde/
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Friday 19 January 18 09:45 GMT (UK)
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0689  looks like the Parish....
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: 8golfer8 on Friday 19 January 18 10:30 GMT (UK)
Yes thank you. I think athy reg is it. Now I need to find rest of his siblings. Think he is Andrew father John Lawlor mother Bridget Delany, he was born 1866 Dec by the look of it.
So happy  if this is right. ThNks
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Friday 19 January 18 11:01 GMT (UK)
Yes thank you. I think athy reg is it. Now I need to find rest of his siblings. Think he is Andrew father John Lawlor mother Bridget Delany, he was born 1866 Dec by the look of it.
So happy  if this is right. ThNks

That is why I posted a link to all, you might find siblings!!

I could have looked through them but many people like making their own discoveries.

You can also do a Search for Marriages and/or Deaths, just use Surname   and   Athy   as District
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Friday 19 January 18 11:08 GMT (UK)
Within the Search you will see folders for 1800's and 1900's...from there you can select Decades!!
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: 8golfer8 on Saturday 20 January 18 05:21 GMT (UK)
What fun! I have found my G/Gfathers death in 1898, plus births of 5 boys, still looking for another. Cannot get my GGfathers birth or GGmothers death, think 1876.  Many thanks for your help
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 20 January 18 08:08 GMT (UK)
What fun! I have found my G/Gfathers death in 1898, plus births of 5 boys, still looking for another. Cannot get my GGfathers birth or GGmothers death, think 1876.  Many thanks for your help

Yes it can be fun finding them....

What you can do for Deaths is just put Surname in, no location, select Deaths and put year range in as they might not have been in Athy..

...or Deaths may not have been registered.
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 20 January 18 08:13 GMT (UK)
What fun! I have found my G/Gfathers death in 1898, plus births of 5 boys, still looking for another. 

Have you checked the Unknown ones... the Index was used when compiling the records on database, the actual Image of Cert will have first name on them in vast majority of cases.
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 20 January 18 08:18 GMT (UK)
1901 census

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=Lawlor&exact=&firstname=&county19011911=Queen%27s+Co.&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&houseNumber=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&search=Search&sort=firstnameSort&pageSize=100

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Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: 8golfer8 on Tuesday 23 January 18 06:13 GMT (UK)
How do I get birth, marriage and death certificates re myGG/father in Athy region please?
Think I have found my GGmother's death in 1888, but there are no specific details on the page.
I guess I need the marriage certificate for my GG's so I can find their parents.
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 23 January 18 07:41 GMT (UK)
Can you post the link to it?
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 23 January 18 07:47 GMT (UK)
Is it Mary?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1888/06159/4760044.pdf

All Certs are there, just click on name and Cert comes up
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 23 January 18 07:49 GMT (UK)
If you Right click on name, then select    Open in new Tab    you can open a few at same time.
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: dathai on Thursday 25 January 18 20:46 GMT (UK)
careful you dont mix him up with this Andrew
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines/Fitzgerald_Street/1295432/

Father is John
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10616/5867729.pdf
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: 8golfer8 on Saturday 27 January 18 04:30 GMT (UK)
BIG THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR THEIR HELP.  STILL STUCK.  THINK HAVE FOUND MY GREATGRANDFATHER ANDREW LAWLOR BORN 1866 TO JOHN LAWLOR AND WIFE BRIDGET DELANY,IN TANKARDSTOWN,  ALTHOUGH HIS YEAR OF BIRTH WAS 1865 ON MARRIAGE CERT.  FOUND THEY HAD THEIR LAST SON JOSEPH IN 1883, AND JOHN LAWLOR DIED 1898 IN TANKARDSTOWN.  SAYS HE WAS A WIDOWER BUT CANNOT FIND DEATH OF BRIDGET.  HOW DO I GET COPIES OF THEIR MARRIAGE ETC TO GET A LINK TO THEIR PARENTS?
MY GGFATHER ANDREW MARRIED AND LIVED IN SURREY ENGLAND FROM ABOUT 1889, SO MAYBE SOME OF HIS BROTHERS MOVED TO ENGLAND TOO.  THANKS AGAIN.
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 27 January 18 06:55 GMT (UK)
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/images/content/GRO_Documents/Form_for_DAHG_site.pdf
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 27 January 18 06:59 GMT (UK)
The Indexes to the Civil Records of Irish Births, Deaths and Marriages date from 1864 with non-Roman Catholic Marriages recorded from 1845.

The years covered by the release of the historic Indexes to the Civil Records of Births, Marriages and Deaths are:

Births: 1864 to 1916

Marriages: 1845* to 1941

Deaths: 1864 to 1966

*non-Roman Catholic Marriages are recorded from 1845, Roman Catholic Marriages are recorded from 1864
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 27 January 18 07:10 GMT (UK)
 Marriage results for John Lawlor from 1864 to 1866

Displaying results 1 - 5 of 5.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ley/ but Certs not online...
 
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: candrjm on Sunday 28 January 18 09:59 GMT (UK)
Maybe? (possible sister of Andrew Lawlor, (Catherine Malone, nee Lawler death record, 15th one down)

https://tinyurl.com/y7jds3gy

If so, perhaps parents  married in Co Carlow

Might be work a look here:

https://tinyurl.com/y896jxpk




Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: dathai on Sunday 28 January 18 11:39 GMT (UK)
Death cert for Catherine Malone
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6LJQ-HL4?i=181&cc=1463156

possible marriage 1870
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11377/8177206.pdf
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: dathai on Monday 29 January 18 20:23 GMT (UK)
You are definitely chasing up the wrong family

With reference to this man
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines/Fitzgerald_Street/1295432/

Sinann posted
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=786784.0

page 188  bottom line Andrew Lawlor born 27/12/1866 post town Ballylinan died 1949
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1949/04552/4201199.pdf
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: 8golfer8 on Tuesday 30 January 18 06:12 GMT (UK)
Yes, I think I have been on a wild goose chase, unfortunately.  My Greatgrandfather Andrew Lawlor states on the 1891 census when living in Surrey that he was born 1865 in Lettonn Ireland.  Cannot find this place.  Cannot find any trace of his birth, maybe I should be checking out Dublin births?On another census he states born in Raheen Queens.  Very confusing.
Thank you everyone for your help, disappointed but shall keep looking for clues.
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: 8golfer8 on Tuesday 30 January 18 06:30 GMT (UK)
Andrew Lawlor's father was John Lawlor (farmer).  On Andrew's marriage certificate in 1890 it is noted John Lawlor, farmer, was deceased.  Andrew died in Surrey in 1932.
Have a relative Mary Lawlor, think born 1879, died 1949 in Victoria, Australia, and on her marriage certificate in 1912 in UK her father is noted as John Lawlor, farmer.  Wondering if she is Andrew's sister?  So many things to match up.
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 30 January 18 08:58 GMT (UK)
Yes, I think I have been on a wild goose chase, unfortunately.  My Greatgrandfather Andrew Lawlor states on the 1891 census when living in Surrey that he was born 1865 in Lettonn Ireland.  Cannot find this place.  Cannot find any trace of his birth, maybe I should be checking out Dublin births?On another census he states born in Raheen Queens.  Very confusing.
Thank you everyone for your help, disappointed but shall keep looking for clues.

He is there in Athy!! You had already found him!

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03507/2289765.pdf
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: 8golfer8 on Wednesday 31 January 18 07:15 GMT (UK)
Oh, I really hope that is him, except, is Lettonn likely to be in the Athy region? Also, on his marriage cert. 1890 He said his father John Lawlor was dead, but the John Lawlor in this family in Tankardstown died in 1898. Also Mary Lawlor ..could be a sister, born about 1879 says her father is John, farmer also.
Thanks for your help, but I have doubts now
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 31 January 18 07:44 GMT (UK)
Oh, I really hope that is him, except, is Lettonn likely to be in the Athy region? Also, on his marriage cert. 1890 He said his father John Lawlor was dead, but the John Lawlor in this family in Tankardstown died in 1898. Also Mary Lawlor ..could be a sister, born about 1879 says her father is John, farmer also.
Thanks for your help, but I have doubts now

Yes.... Look at top of Cert page.

Mary Lawlor ..could be a sister, born about 1879...??  What is on her Birth Registration??
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 31 January 18 07:57 GMT (UK)
You are looking for children of JOHN LAWLOR AND WIFE BRIDGET DELANY

Just a matter of looking at Certs and choosing correct ones without confusing things talking about other Marys etc who are clearly not the children of  JOHN LAWLOR AND WIFE BRIDGET DELANY....

 
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: 8golfer8 on Wednesday 31 January 18 10:28 GMT (UK)
Thanks, will stay focused on John and Bridget Lawlor and family
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: 8golfer8 on Friday 09 February 18 01:50 GMT (UK)
Still not sure I am following right family of John Lawlor and Bridget Delany. Have by chance made contact with a previously unknown family member who says my Ggrandfather Andrew Lawlor had a sister Mary born 2/12/1862 Maryborough county. Cannot find any record of this. Any ideas ?
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Friday 09 February 18 06:31 GMT (UK)
Look for a Marriage for her or check Church Registers
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: 8golfer8 on Wednesday 14 February 18 03:15 GMT (UK)
My new relative tells me:
John Lawlor had possible John who had daughter Mary Lawlor born 1879 Maryborough
Then Mary born 1862 Maryborough married Cleall and lived in Dorset
Then Andrew (my ggfather) 1864-1866 Raheen or Lettonn Queens lived in New Malden Surrey
Possibly Catherine born 1868 Raheen Queens died 1957 New Jersey USA
Is Maryborough in Athy region?
I have been following wrong family of John and Bridget Lawlor of Tankardstown, because none if this fits.  Cannot find births before 1864, any suggestions? Thanks
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 14 February 18 06:03 GMT (UK)
The years covered by the release of the historic Indexes to the Civil Records of Births, Marriages and Deaths are:

Births: 1864 to 1916
Title: Re: Finding G/grandfather's family Rheen, Laois, Ireland
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 14 February 18 06:05 GMT (UK)
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0714