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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: wdytya on Friday 19 January 18 20:16 GMT (UK)
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Julia Anna Derwith was married in Wales 1900 and the 1901 and 1911 census records show her being born in Dublin. She was born around 1875. When I have searched online family history sites the name Derwith is thin on the ground. Any suggestions where to look for her or the family Derwith would be gratefully received.
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Hello,
Do you have the marriage certificate? If so, what is her father’s name?
Who did she marry?
Are any children registered with mmn Derwith?
Sorry it’s all questions.
Heywood
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Yes I have the marriage certificate, her father was Samuel Derwith who was a shoe maker. He is deceased at time of marriage in 1900 in Cardiff to Albert Garrett. On the 1911 census they record 4 children 1 died. Children Roy Albert 1901 twin Violet who died, Kenneth Wilfred 1907 and a Robert Ivor who is shown born 1900, all called Garrett, but this I believe is wrong as I have found a birth record for a Robert Ivor Derwith born 1897 in Cardiff district, 3 years before their marriage
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Thank you.
It’s very strange isn’t it. I have been searching, as yourself, to no avail but will keep going. :)
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I have looked for the surname, first name 1873-1876 but nothing that resembles her in all sorts of records. Sorry. :(
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Did you get Robert Ivors birth cert to make sure his mother was Julia
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Given the rarity of the name, note that the South Wales Daily News of 19 August 1899 reported that a labourer called Robert Morgan, living at Penarth, was imprisoned for disobeying an order of the Court to support the illegitimate child of 'Julia Derwith'.
The court order was for 4s per week and the arrears stood at £11 10s 7d, so the arrangement had presumably been in place for at least a year.
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Interesting news, gaffy.
In 1901 4971/94/20 baby Robert Derwith is boarding with a Pike/Langdon family.
1901 census Ireland shows the surname Derwin in Dublin :-\ and a few other counties.
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Wow!! Gaffy what a great find, I am amazed as to how you find these records, thanks very much. I do not have the birth certificate but I will send for it now. How strange the son Robert Ivor is a boarder, confusing description for his age, and I do not recognise any connection with the Pike/Langdon family. In 1901 Julia had been married for a year so again strange why her son is not living with her when from this newspaper report the son was living with her before the marriage as she was seeking financial help from Robert Morgan. On the 1911 census Robert Ivor was living with his mother and his stepfather in Penarth with two more children born within the marriage under the name of Garrett.
It is strange that the Derwith name is not to be found except for Julia and Robert, perhaps she made up the name when she left Ireland or on arriving in Penarth Wales.
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Given the rarity of the name, note that the South Wales Daily News of 19 August 1899 reported that a labourer called Robert Morgan, living at Penarth, was imprisoned for disobeying an order of the Court to support the illegitimate child of 'Julia Derwith'.
The court order was for 4s per week and the arrears stood at £11 10s 7d, so the arrangement had presumably been in place for at least a year.
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Many thanks hallmark for the screenshots. So Robert Morgan went to prison twice for non payment the last time in June 1900. Perhaps that was the end of the matter as Julia married in August 1900 and might have not pursued the debt further?
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Many thanks hallmark for the screenshots. So Robert Morgan went to prison twice for non payment the last time in June 1900. Perhaps that was the end of the matter as Julia married in August 1900 and might have not pursued the debt further?
So the money is still due!! ;D ;D
Enjoy!
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Will have to trace Robert Morgan’s descendants and ask them to pay up!! ???
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Will have to trace Robert Morgan’s descendants and ask them to pay up!! ???
Research! ;D
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Not going there!! Have enough grey hairs! ::)
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The Obituary of Julia Anna Garrett nee Derwith who died in 1957 has brought more questions than answers. It states the chief mourners were Ernest, Roy (born 1901) and Ken (born 1907), sons. Beatrice, May and Eileen, Daughters in law. Ernest, Roy, Clive and Gwynne, grandsons and Marie grand daughter. Floral tributes were from Ernest, Beatrice & family, Roy & May, Ken Eileen and Pauline, Also Marie, Ray and Clive.
Ken married Eileen Burge in 1940 and had Pauline in 1943. Roy and Maud I do not believe had children , it was Roys second marriage and he had children from his first marriage. So this leaves sons Ernest, Gwynne Ray and Clive as well as a daughter Marie.
After searching BMD records for days there are no records for a marriage of an Ernest Garrett to a Beatrice and no births for Ernest, Gwynne Ray Clive and Marie. Julia Garrett lived in Penarth South Wales but do not know if her sons Ernest and Ken did although Roy did. It just seems so strange that so many births and a marriage are not recorded. I have searched under first names for Ernest and Beatrice’s marriage but no joy. Perhaps the 1939 register might help? Any suggestions what I can do next.
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Your thread is under Ireland, maybe start a new thread in Wales and include a link to this thread so people can see what has already been found??
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I thought I might have to do this but took advice from a Rootschatter who has posted on this and was told to keep it in the Dublin thread. Not sure how to make a link between Dublin and Glamorgan posts. Perhaps a Moderator can advise me if to continue with the Dublin thread or start a new one in Glamorgan?? Sorry but a bit confused what to do now as I do not wish to break any rules etc.
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The vast majority of what you need will be in Wales, not Ireland, so if you start a thread in Wales just include this link
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=786090.0
in your post.
Am sure you will get a far better response on Wales board. You will not be breaking rules.
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Ernest was adopted & was known as Ernest Reece & he married Beatrice. They were my nana & grandpa & lived in Port Talbot. They had 5 children. Ernest(my father), Iris, Haydn, Violet & Gwynne. Only Violet & Gwynne are alive now. Julia was my great grandmother & died 2 years before I was born.
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On my grandfather’s birth certificate Julia is listed as Julia Kearney nee Dowd. The father is listed as John Kearney. They lived at 27 Clarendon Street in Dublin. My grandfather was born on 15 September 1894. She brought him over to Wales when he was 3. However in the 1901 census John Kearney is still living there with a wife called Ester & a son called Patrick who was one at the time. I think my grandfather was her 1st child. He was born in Rotunda Hospital in Dublin. I don’t think she was married to John Kearney. We have only just found out that she was known as Julia Anna Derwith. We knew about the Garrett side of the family. My cousin found that she may have been known as Julia McDermott as well but I don’t know if that is true or not
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Thank you for the interesting information about Julia Derwith/Kearney/Dowd/Mc Dermott, so many names I wonder why. I have sent you a private message which I hope you will receive so we can share information.