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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Bedfordshire => Topic started by: JAKnighton on Saturday 20 January 18 10:26 GMT (UK)
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My 6x great grandmother is a Jane Mumford who married John Reynolds in Pertenhall in 1819.
I can't find any other record for her, other than the christenings/births of her children, not even her death.
Her husband John Reynolds was 41 when he married her and it was his second marriage. Since Jane had at least five children with John, I'm assuming she wasn't nearly as old as him. So I'm guessing she was born between 1790 - 1802.
John Reynolds is a widower in the 1841 census, and his last child with Jane (that I've found) was born in 1825, so her death would be between those years.
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There is no Jane Mumford on the Beds Surname Index CD other than for that 1819 marriage.
Doing a search of trees on Genes Reunited someone has a Jane Mumford born 1795 Kimbolton, Hunts. That same someone has John Rennels born 1777 Denton, Northants.
This someone is Alison Marr - have you contacted her? or looked at Kimbolton records ?
Cheers John
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Does the marriage entry give parishes of residence other than Pertenhall? Do the witnesses provide any clues?
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As per the NBI, there's a burial of Jane KENNEL at Pertenhall on 22 Dec 1825 aged 29
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There is no Jane Mumford on the Beds Surname Index CD other than for that 1819 marriage.
Doing a search of trees on Genes Reunited someone has a Jane Mumford born 1795 Kimbolton, Hunts. That same someone has John Rennels born 1777 Denton, Northants.
This someone is Alison Marr - have you contacted her? or looked at Kimbolton records ?
Cheers John
Thank you, I'll see if I can contact her, and look at the Kimbolton records.
Does the marriage entry give parishes of residence other than Pertenhall? Do the witnesses provide any clues?
Not that I can see.
As per the NBI, there's a burial of Jane KENNEL at Pertenhall on 22 Dec 1825 aged 29
That's interesting, a mistranscription of Rennel perhaps? (Her children were baptised as Rennel).
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Hi JAKnighton,
I descend from John Reynolds first marriage to Elizabeth Tandy.
Linda
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Hi JAKnighton,
I descend from John Reynolds first marriage to Elizabeth Tandy.
Linda
Hi Linmey! I have seen a few trees on Ancestry that have John marrying an Elizabeth Tandy, but I have a marriage record that has John marrying an Elizabeth Pack. You may be right and I may be wrong, so shall we compare sources?
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Hiya,
Yes indeed. Thank you. :)
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Its a very long time since I looked at this, but I think at the time I was going by the Carlton parish records marriage of John Reynolds, labourer, to Elizabeth Tandey on Nov 16 1804 as being the most likely candidate. Interesting that others have come to the same conclusion, but I think I need to re visit it.
I will have a look and see if I was going by any other evidence.
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The marriage I have to Elizabeth Pack is on 01 Nov 1802 in Stow Longa, which is up the road from Pertenhall. I think this fits better with the birth of their eldest son William, who was born on 27 Feb 1803 which is a year before the marriage to Elizabeth Tandey on 16 Nov 1804.
We might also consider that both marriages are correct and John Reynolds was actually married three times!
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Hi,
Yes I did consider the third marriage for John. Both of these women died in 1815, but Elizabeth Pack seem to have died in Swineshead and I have no evidence the family ever lived there, but that doesn't mean to say that she didn't of course. They are very close. Do you have that as a place of death for Elizabeth Pack?
Its surprising how little evidence we have to firm up an answer for this one.
Its a puzzle.
Linda
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Hi
I've had a look at my copy of Pertenhall PR and from the baptism notes it looks like Jane remarries .... to a John Oakes by 1825 here are the entries for the baptism of her children with John Rennel(s) notice all different spellings!!!
Pertenhall PR
Rennal David birth date 9 March 1824 baptism 26 May 1824
Rennales Esther Mumford birth 12 July 1821 baptism 7 October 1821
Rennel Susanna birth 3 Nov 1822 baptism 8 Dec 1822
Rennel Rebecca baptism 30 Oct 1825 .. notes Jane now wife of John Oakes
Rennels James birth 11 Jan 1820 baptism 16 April 1820
Have looked for a burial for father John in Pertenhall and cannot find one presuming he died of course his death from these baptisms will be between 1824-5.
And cannot see a marriage for Jane to John Oakes but will look further afield
Hope this helps
Bunnygirl
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John Reynolds (1777) was living with his son James (born 1820) on the 1851 census.
L
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Hi
Pertenhall PR is showing witnesses to the Rennels/ Mumford marriage of 1819 as Wm Mumford & Wm Munford .
Do you have a record of John's death?
This may help
B
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No date of death that I can find, but he was 84 in the 1861 census and doesn't appear after that.
L
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I have a death index entry for a John Reynolds, registered Oct-Nov-Dec 1861 in St Neots registration district, age 84.
Jane Mumford remarrying to a John Oakes raises some questions. I will have to investigate this further.
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Ah, he died later in census year then. Just about made the 1861.
L
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Hi
Looking at Pertenhall PR , Elizabeth (Pack) Rennales was buried in St Peter's PERTENHALL 7 May 1815 wife of John aged 32yrs abode Pertenhall not Swinehead. They also buried 2 children, James 11 March 1818 son of John & Elizabeth and Susanna 28 May 1815 daughter of John.
I have looked at the entries mentioned before under surname of Kennel and I think you will need to get it checked out at Records Office. My copy of Pertenhall PR is showing the entry for Jane Kennel and also an entry for Joseph Kennel burial at Pertenhall 28 Dec 1825 aged 16yrs well he looks like son of John & Elizabeth born 1809 from his baptism record. Also burials at Pertenhall are James Rennals burial 11 March 1818 aged 4yrs son of John & Elizabeth and Susanna Rennals buried 28 May 1815 daughter of John. On Susanna's baptism it states she was born in Swinshead and baptized privately in Pertenhall.
My Pertenhall PR does show that Jane remarries to John Oakes BUT I would get this checked as it may have been mistranscribed.
Bunnygirl
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I guess that as it says Susanna was born in Swineshead, then its likely Elizabeth (Pack) Rennales died in Swineshead as she seems to have died in the post partum period when Susanna was a few days old. No proof though.
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as an offshoot from the Mumfords I see you have a family Knighton in your tree. I have an Elizabeth Knighton b.1718 Eaton Socon and family of Houghton in Pertenhall, 1694?
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as an offshoot from the Mumfords I see you have a family Knighton in your tree. I have an Elizabeth Knighton b.1718 Eaton Socon and family of Houghton in Pertenhall, 1694?
It's possible that there is a connection, but I can't see one based on the information I have right now. My Knightons were living in Winwick, Huntingdonshire at that time.