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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Treecy75 on Monday 22 January 18 17:14 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I'm new to the genealogy thing but am having a good stab at researching our family tree. I'm interested myself but also for my Mum who is now in her 70s and an only child. We all believed she was the daughter of an only child - my Grandad John Johnson b. 1907. I have found my Grandad's census entry from 1911 when he was 4 and living in York with his parents. We were really surprised to find he had an older sister Mary born in 1901 (in Limerick, parents met and married in Ireland when Great Grandfather was over with the army). No one had ever mentioned her, my Mum is baffled but excited that she might find some relations on her Dad's side because she currently has none. The problem is after 1911 census I can't find Mary Johnson anywhere. I looked for a marriage/death. I checked emigration and ships lists (although that is something I don't know much about so can't be certain I did a great job).
31 Spencer Street York
Household Members
William Johnson (also Francis William Johnson on Irish Marriage Certificate)
33 (head)
Kathleen Johnson (nee. SHANNON)
34 (wife)
Mary Johnson (Irish birth register has Mary Frances Johnson)
10 (daughter)
John Johnson
4 (son)
If this link works it opens Mary's Irish birth registry born 11 Aug 1901;
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01937/1749667.pdf
I wonder if anyone might be able to give me pointers or have a quick look to see if I've missed her somewhere? I'd be really grateful.
Thanks in advance
Caroline
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Welcome to rootschat :)
Have you discounted this marriage or had the family left York area by this time
Marriages Jun qtr 1933
Johnson Mary F (spouse Lumb)
Lumb John T
York 9d 99
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A free search of the 1939 register has a John T Lumb bn 1896 & Mary F Lumb born 1901 in Wetherby reg district.
Playing with the free search Mary F's birthday is showing as August but not the 11th. It is not unusual for this register to have birth dates wrong.
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Hi rosie,
Thanks so much for looking - I'm going to check it out. I don't know how I missed it or discounted it... I guess I need to order the marriage certificate???
I'm sure this shows me up as very green but does Ancestry search 1939 register... I don't think I've come across it. Am excited now :-) I think I'll pay for the findmypast thing so I can see full Register... better see how much it is. This ancestry stuff costs a small fortune!
Thanks again, I'm going to check and call my Mum!
Caroline
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Death registered 1974 Leeds West Yorks....
Mary Frances Lumb
Birthdate 04 Aug 1901
I think you should get that marriage cert.
PB
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I'm sure this shows me up as very green but does Ancestry search 1939 register... I don't think I've come across it. Am excited now :-) I think I'll pay for the findmypast thing so I can see full Register... better see how much it is. This ancestry stuff costs a small fortune!
1939 is only available on F M P. For that reason we are not allowed to give information from it other than what we can see on a free search. I have just played again with the free search and the birth date ties in with the death polar bear has posted.
It will not give you much information that you can't get free, it will show an address and give full dates of birth /occupation but no places of birth. It will only give information on other people in the household that have died, the rest will be blacked out.
If you want to see if they had any children you can search freebmd for birth registrations
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Select births - surname Lumb spouse/mother surname Johnson
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Looking on Freebmd there are quite a few Lumb children born in the Wetherby registration with mother's maiden name Johnson. This fits with the 1939 register where there are a lot of closed entries, meaning they could still be alive!
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Thanks polarbear - marriage certificate ordered ;D
And thanks to you too groom - I've called Mum and filled her in, that's lots of potential cousins (and owned up that I only managed it with your help - she'd almost given up with my poor research skills!)
Should I update my post to say 'resolved' in the title?
C
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Should I update my post to say 'resolved' in the title
No! Keep us informed! 😀
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Should I update my post to say 'resolved' in the title
No! Keep us informed! 😀
They are like a dog with a bone! ;D
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.... without naming living people obviously 🤪
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;D
I will keep you all updated!
I missed the 4pm deadline for requesting birth certificate so might not get it before Monday... I'm really hopeful. Will be great to solve the mystery of why she was a secret for all these years. My Mum is convinced my Grandad didn't even tell his wife, my Granny about a sister because she would have told my Mum. Hoping it's nothing hideous!
Thanks all
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Another question about long lost family etiquette!!! With the info you’ve all given me I’ve found another Ancestry members tree that seems to confirm everything :)
I was planning on messaging my (new found) second cousin, explaining that we had discovered my grandad had a secret sister and asking if they knew that their Mother/ Grandmother had a brother. It does look as if lots of my Mum’s cousins are still alive! I haven’t invited myself around or anything and don’t have a huge legacy for anyone to steal so this seems quite safe/ reasonable.
Is this a ‘normal’ route to take? Thanks in advance
C
Ps I looked through some scribbled notes I’d made and realise I discounted the Lumb link too quickly when the birthdate on death record didn’t exactly match the birthdate I had - lesson learned :)
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My dad knew nothing of his mothers family, I later tracked that she had siblings and managed to contact one of their children. He'd been told that his father had had two sisters and two brothers, but that the two girls had died young. One sister did die young, the other my grandmother didn't die (obviously) but had a child out of wedlock when she was 19 (and kept her), her brother was in his early teens at the time, whether he'd been told she'd died or if he'd made up that story we'll never know. She was clearly disowned by the family, and I believe it was because of having her daughter.
There are two potential Johnson births (MMN also Johnson - which can mean the mother wasn't married) in the year before her marriage - so it could be along the same lines
PS I contacted random people with the same name on Facebook, so going through Ancestry at least shows they have some interest in family history
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I guess there are lots of cans of worms... I did wonder about a birth out of wedlock. I think I’ll message, it would be great to find out. The member hasn’t been on for over a year so I’m not certain they’ll see it or answer. Fingers crossed, thanks for your advice :)
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I guess there are lots of cans of worms... I did wonder about a birth out of wedlock. I think I’ll message, it would be great to find out. The member hasn’t been on for over a year so I’m not certain they’ll see it or answer. Fingers crossed, thanks for your advice :)
You could try the current electoral registers (up to 2014 are on FindMyPast) and see if any of the names on there appear....
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Should I update my post to say 'resolved' in the title
No! Keep us informed! 😀
They are like a dog with a bone! ;D
I'm just nosey!! ;D ;D
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Should I update my post to say 'resolved' in the title?
Not until you get the certificate :)
You don't update the title
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