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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: Lucy2 on Tuesday 23 January 18 03:25 GMT (UK)
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Hi
At the following link, (right-hand side of page), is the marriage on 8 February 1816 of Thomas MULLOWNEY of the Parish of Thurles.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632751#page/23/mode/1up
I'd very much welcome some help with placenames / Parish names, please. :)
... to Honora RYAN of K........ ? in the Parish of Moyne.
In the presence of >
... ? ... RYAN ?, Lisheen ?
James MULLOWNEY of K........ ?
and, Patt. Ryan from ...... ?
Many thanks.
~ Lu
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Sub-units of Durlas/Thurles Parish https://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=in:1410895&cat=BF
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Sub-units of An Mhaighean/Moyne https://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=in:2209&cat=BF
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Townlands of Tipperary https://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=in%3a100029&cat=BF&pag=-1&ord=ga
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Thank you hallmark. :)
Should have mentioned that I'd already viewed many similar lists in an effort to determine which were the most likely placenames ... all to no avail though (or should I say, they just lead me to further confusion ;D .)
What I was really hoping for by posting here, was for someone (maybe with local knowledge of the area) to help in deciphering the names as they appear in the image.
Thanks again though.
~ Lu
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In the presence of William Ryan (shortened William)
Place names are difficult it can help to look over the whole page and other pages to see if the names are written clearer elsewhere.
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Looking at other examples I'd agree with Lisheen
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Thanks for your help, Sinann. :)
I had looked over the immediate page for similar spellings, but will search more widely now.
~ Lu
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I had a go this evening, it's a bit puzzling because it clearly says Honora is from the parish of Moyne but I couldn't find anything.
Two possibilities come to mind the parish boundary could have changed so it could be a neighbouring parish or the name has fallen out of use.
I had this problem with a townland which only appeared on one family's records, I did find generally where it was because they had a mill and the family were remembered locally but I never found it on any map.
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/tipperary-parish-initiative-chronicles-its-past-1.344394
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You could ask the Parish Priest
https://cashel-emly.ie/parish-details/?page=ddb_parish_details&parishID=43
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Hi
You asked
... to Honora RYAN of K........ ? in the Parish of Moyne.
Kilkenny in the Parish of Moyne
In the presence of >
... ? ... RYAN ?, Lisheen ?
it says.........
Thomas MULLOWNEY of the Parish of Thurles Certified by the Rev. James Healy are joined in marriage by the Rev Patt Ryan to Hanora Ryan of Kilkenny in the Parish of Moyne in the presence of Rev Ryan, Lisheen and James Mullowney of Kilkenny and then Rev Patt Ryan signed it.
Looks like they were not from the Parish and it's a way of letting their Parish Priests know they have been married.
I do have some letters of Freedom, also some entries in Parish Books have underneath a Baptism record, when and who they married.
Maggsie
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..... it clearly says Honora is from the parish of Moyne but I couldn't find anything.
Two possibilities come to mind the parish boundary could have changed so it could be a neighbouring parish or the name has fallen out of use.
Thanks again Sinann. :) I'll try searching a little further afield.
Appreciate your help.
~ Lu
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Thanks again hallmark for your suggestions. :)
I'll certainly try the direct approach to the parish.
Appreciate your help.
~ Lu
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You asked
... to Honora RYAN of K........ ? in the Parish of Moyne.
Kilkenny in the Parish of Moyne
In the presence of >
... ? ... RYAN ?, Lisheen ?
Hi Maggsie
Thank you for your help. :)
[Just wanted to clarify though that I didn't add the word "Kilkenny" in my original request. ;) ]
... to Honora RYAN of K........ ? in the Parish of Moyne.
In the presence of >
... ? ... RYAN ?, Lisheen ?
James MULLOWNEY of K........ ?
and, Patt. Ryan from ...... ?
~ Lu
it says.........
Thomas MULLOWNEY of the Parish of Thurles Certified by the Rev. James Healy are joined in marriage by the Rev Patt Ryan to Hanora Ryan of Kilkenny in the Parish of Moyne in the presence of Rev Ryan, Lisheen and James Mullowney of Kilkenny and then Rev Patt Ryan signed it.
Mmm ... my guess was that the last name (of the witnesses) on the marriage record > Patt RYAN" > was probably the father of the bride ? ;) [I do know from later records that Honora was the daughter of a Patrick RYAN. ]
Appreciate your help.
~ Lu
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Hi All
What it says exactly is
Thomas Mullowney of the Parish of Thurles certified
by the Revr. James Healy ,was joined in marriage by
the Revr Patt Ryan to Hanora Ryan of Kilcluney
in the Parish of Moyne in the presence of Wm Ryan
Lisheen, and James Mullowney of Kilcluney and Patt Ryan
from Do place (same place ie Kilcluney)
The modern spelling is Kilclonagh which as well as being a townland is also a Civil Parish for Tithe Applotement purposes
Unfortunately we have to go all the way to Co. Galway to find this lovely townland
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=&firstname=&county=&parish=&townland=kilclonagh&search=Search
where you can find the widow Malowny in 1828
We have to go to Cork to find the Parish of Clonoulty and a Parish of Carrigparson beside me in Limerick you will find in Co. Wexford ( sometimes I wonder)
The Ryans have a fine few plots in Lisheen but you will find them in Liskeen
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Moyne&townland=Liskeen&search=Search
I can see why one would think Kilkenny as it is just across the fields.
P J
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Thomas and Hanora come from two different places.
Thomas from somewhere in the parish of Thurles
Honora from somewhere in the parish of Moyne.
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Yes Thomas Mullowney was from Thurles and James was from Kilclonagh maybe cousins .
Hanora was from Kilclonagh and Wm Ryan was from Lisheen
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Thank you P J (merrick7) for your efforts in assisting with solving this mystery. ;)
I do know that the "widow Malowny" 1828- will not be "mine".
The Thomas and Honora who married in 1816, left Ireland for Australia in 1839.
~ Lu
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I assume they had some children before they left, have you got their baptisms?
It would be interesting to see where the couple lived after they married and the witnesses might prove useful.
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Hi Lu
Thomas may have been living and working in Thurles when he got married . Maybe he was originally from Kilclonagh . Could the widow be his mother in 1928 . Where were the children born and do you believe that the Malowny's had another connection with Thurles .
P J
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certified by the Rev